HomeMy WebLinkAbout12-07-1977 City Council Minutes MINUTES
SARATOGA.CITY COUNCIL
TIME: ~Wednesday, December 7, 1977 - 7:30 P.M.
PLACE:i!~S~tB~{E~ ~uncil Chambers, 13777 Fruitv ale Avenue
TYPE: '~R~l~'Me~tihg
I. ORGANIZATION
A. ROLL CALL
Present: Councilmen Brigham, Corr, Kraus, Matteoni
Absent: Mayor Bridges (arrived later)
B. MINUTES
It was moved by Councilman Brigham and seconded by Councilwoman
Corr approval of the minutes of November 16, 1977. The motion
was carried unanimously.
II. CONSENT CALENDAR
A. COMPOSITION OF CONSENT CALENDAR
The City Manager requested items 4 and 6 be pulled from the
Consent Calendar~'~_d' ~_=~r~y~'~a__r_,~Clely. This was acceptable
to the Council. .
It was then moved by Councilman Brigham and seconded by
Councilwoman Corr approval of the Composition of Consent
~alendar, with the exception of items 4 and 6. The motion
was carried unanimously.
B. ITEMS FOR CONSENT CALENDAR
1. Ordinance No. 38.81, Amending Chapter 9 of the Saratoga
City Code, Entitled "Motor Vehicles and Traffic", by
Deleting a Certain Mail Deposit Zone Designation (second
reading)
2. Final Acceptance
a) SDR-1215 Roeloffs, Woodbank Way
3. Final Acceptance and ~iling Notice of Completion - Seal
Coating and Overlaying Certain City Streets, 1976-77
* 4. Ordinance NS-3.38, Amending Ordinance NS-3, the Zoning
Ordinance, by Providing for Recreational (Tennis) Courts
in R-1 Zoning Districts as Permitted Use, Per Minimum
Specifications, and Providing for Same in "A", "HC-RD"
and "RM" Districts~]2Conditional Uses (second reading)
5. Resolution 835, Acknowledging Execution of Joint Exercise
of Powers Agreement and Cooperation Agreement Pursuant
to Title I of the Housing and Community Development Act
of 1974
* 6. Resolution 836, Requesting the County Superintendent of
Schools to Provide for the. Consolidation of the 1978
General Municipal Election with the West Valley Joint
Community College District Governing Board Election to be
Held Ma~ch 7, 1978
7. Payment of Claims
It was moved by Councilman Brigham and seconded by Councilwoman
Corr approval of the Items for Consent Calendar, with the
exception of items 4 and 6. The motion was carried unanimously.
*C. ITEMS REQUIRING SEPARATE COUNCIL ACTION
4. Ordinance NS-3.38, Amending Ordinance NS-'3, the Zoning
Ordinance, by Providing for Recreational (Tennis) Courts
in-R-1 Zoning Districts as Permitted Use, Per Minimum
Specifications, and Providing for Same in "A", "HC-RD"
and "RM" Districts and Conditional Uses (second reading)
The City Manager advised that the City Attorney has suggested
adding a clarifying statement under Section I, dealing with
recreational courts, to indicate the addition of the words:
"other than swimming pools" in paragraph NN-1. This addition
was acceptable to the Counc~lo
It was moved by Councilman Brigham and seconded
Councilwoman Corr to adopt'Ordinance NS-3.38, with the
addition of "other thah swimming pools) in Section I,
paragraph NN-1. The motion was carried unanimously.
6o Resolution 836, Requesting the County Superintendent of
Schools to Provide for the Consolidation of the 1978
General Municipal Election with the West Valley Joint
Community College District Governing Board Election to
be Held March 7, 1978.
The City Manager indicated this should be modified to
reflect under Section 2, second paragraph: "The officer
conducting the election is further requested . "
A second modification is to Section 3, in which it should
indicate: "The County!Registrar of Voters o....."~,.rather
than "Said County Superintendent of Schools
It was moved by Counciiman Brigham and seconded by
Councilwoman Corr Resolution 836 be adopted, as amended.
The motion was carried unanimously.
III. BIDS AND CONTRACTS
A. APPROVAL OF QUITO ROAD-WILDCAT CREEK BRIDGE CONSULTANT
CONTRACT
It was moved by Councilman Brigham and seconded by Councilwoman
Corr to approve the Quite Road-Wildcat Creek Bridge Consultant
Contract and award of same~to Ruth, Going and Curtis for the
total amount of $28,600. The motion was carried unanimously.
B. AUTHORIZATION TO CALL FOR BIDS FOR THE FINAL PHASE OF DEVELOP-
MENT OF HISTORICAL PARK
It was moved by Councilwoman Cerr and se~ondedby Councilman
Brigham the staff be authorized to advertise for bids for
~ the final phase of development of the Historical Park. The
motion was carried unanimously.
IV. PETITIONS, ORDINANCES AND FORMAL'RESOLUTIONS
A. ORDINANCE NS-3.40
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SARATOGA PROPOSED BY THE INITIATIVE
PROCESS (ELECTIONS CODE SECTIONS 4000-4021) AMENDING THE ZONING
ORDINANCES. BY PROHIBITING STADIUMS (second reading
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Vi-ce Mayor Kraus indicated that it has been requested con-
sideration of this ordinance be postponed until later in the
meeting to allow Mayor Brfdges to participate in the vote.
This was acceptable to the Council.
B. ORDINANCE NS-3.37
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SARATOGA AMENDING ORDINANCE NS-3,
THE ZONING ORDINANCE, BY REPEALING EXISTING ARTICLE 4 AND
ADDING A NEW ARTICLE 4 RE:~ PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS
IN CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICT.SAS CONDITIONAL USES IN AREAS
GENERAL PLANNED "PD" (second reading)
It was moved by ~ouncil~oman Corr and seconded by Councilman
Brigham the adoption of Ordinance NS-3.37, with the inclusion
of the following findings:~
1) The proposed amendment does achieve and is con-
sistant with the objectives of the Zoning
Ordinance, as specified in Section 1.1, Article 1
thereof;
2) The proposed amendment is consistant with the
latest adopted City' General Plan, specifically
the land use and housing element thereof;
3) The proposed amendment is consist~'~nt with the
Senior Citizen Hous.ing objectives bf the City's
housing element and those recommended by the
Mayor,s select Senior Citizen Housing Task Force,
as contained*in their final report and analysis,
dated January 19, 1977; and
4) The. proposed ordinance does protect and promote
the public health, safety, peace, comfort, con-
venience, prosperity and general welfare of the
community.
'~h~'~tlon was carried unanimouslyi~~
C. ORDINANCE 38.82
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SARATOGA MODIFYING THE PROCEDURE
PRESCRIBING TIME AND METHOD OF PA~ENT OF PAYROHL AND REIM-
BURSEMENT OF FUNDS (first reading)
It was moved by Councilman Brigham and seconded by Councilwoman
Corr the introduction of Ordinance 38.82 and waiving of the
reading. The motion was Carried unanimously.
V. SUBDIVISIONS, BUILDING SITES, ZONING REQUESTS
A. REQUEST BY MR. PALLE NIMB TO APPEAL THE PLANNING COMMISSION
DENIAL OF VARIANCE TO ALLOW AN ll-FOOT REARYARD SETBACK FOR AN
ADDITION TO BE CONSTRUCTED AT THE RESIDENCE LOCATED AT 12931
BRANDYWINE COURT (Cont'd. from November 2, 1977)
The City Manager advised that there has been no additional
correspondence received on' this appeal.
Councilwoman Corr'indicated she had g~e~L~v~'~Ni~B'!'s
and observed this proposed addition, and was
would be a much better use of the land
th~n i~8~lH'~e to bring ~he addition out to the side.
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Palle Nimb, Brandywine Drive (Cont'd.)
Councilman Matteoni commented that the creek in back of this
home provides a substitute, in terms of a buffer~to the
neighbor's property. It was his feeling the side yard alter-
native would encroach into an area which is open and would
further constrict the year yard, both in terms of the property
owner and people looking from the other side~ into open space
and the creek itself. Therefore, he would be inclined to
grant the variance request.
Councilman Kraus commented that in this particular case, he
believes Mr. Nimb does have a hardship, and where he is
proposing to place the addition is the best location.
It was then moved by Councilman Matteoni and seconded by
Councilwoman Corr to grant the appeal for this variance~on_~
the grounded'that there
cutting through the middleTMof~'[he rear ya~d~nd that ~he~~'
is no detriment to public health, welfare and safety of other
neighbors, and the fact that he has the added buffer of the
setback of the creek to the neighbor to the rear. The motion
was carried unanimously.
B. CONSIDE~TION OF APPEAL RE: PLANNING CO~ISSION DECISION
CONCERNING DESIGN REVIEW APPROVAL OF FENCING AND ~NDSCAPING
OF PATHWAY LOCATED ON CARNIEL AND SA~TOGA-SUN~VALE ROAD
'~,~ ~Th~-r-~pell~nt has requested re-scheduling this matter to
DecemBer 21SET' Th'is was acceptable to the Council.
VII. ADMINIST~TIVE ~TTERS (taken out of order)
A. ~YOR
B. COUNCIL AND CO~ISSION REPORTS
1. Report from Parks and Recreation Co~ission Re: Hakone
Gardens Use Policy
Barbara Sampson, D~ector of Co~unity Services, advised
that the Pa~ks and Recreation Co~ission has reco~ended
that the use policy of Hakone Gardens be continued and be
~p~ted permanently, with the minor modifications,~ti[ed~
~'~nlthe report, dated December 1, 1977.
It was moved by Councilman Brigham and seconded by Councilman
Matteoni to adopt the Hakone Gardens Use Policy with the
modifications as requested bY the Parks and Recreation
Co~ission.i.-The motion was~ carried unanimously.
VI. PUBLIC HEARINGS
A. CONSIDE~TION OF ~QUEST BY SEVE~L PROPERTY O~ERS FOR THE
ABANDO~ENT OF PEDESTRIAN/EQUESTRIAN ~SEMENT AT REAR OF
PROPERTIES ON SOBEY M~DOWS COURT - T~CT 5164
The City Manager explained that in August, 1974, the City
Council received a petition from six o~ers of property
affected by the crossing of this easement. The easement was
required as part of a subdivision on Tract 5164. The Council
had deferred action on this request until it had gone through
the process of creating a Trails and Pathways Task Force, and
then subsequently amending the City's General Plan in July.~,7~
1977 to include an updated trails and pathways portion of the
circulation element of the General Plan.
Easement - Sobey Meadows Court (Cont'd.)
The matter was then referred 'to'the Parks and Recreation
Commission for consideration as to whether or not the City
should consider further the abandonment of this easement.
The Parks and Recreation Commission held a public hearing on
this matter, and as a result of that hearing, has recommended
to the Council that the pedestrian/equestrian easement be
maintained.
The Council at the time of receiving this also received a re-
quest for a temporary closure and a survey of the exact
location of the easement, and at that time decided to schedule
a public hearing for this evening concerning the request for
abandonment.
Miss Sampson, Director of COmmunity Services reviewed on the
overhead lmap the ~l-~6{~f~h~'~ent in question.
~ice'~Mayor Kraus acknowledged items of correspondence relating
to this issue, as follows:
1) Mr. Clarke Eikenbary, 14057 ~rcadia Palms Drive
2) Mr. and Mrs. Richard Tourino, 18860 Ten Acres Road
3) Mr. Stephen Dunn, 18470 .Sobey Road
4) Mr. and Mrs. Darwin Barrett, 14050 Marilyn Lane
5) Mr. Bill Birkhold, 14020 Arcadia Palms
6) Mr. Murray Brookman, 14715 Sobey Road7
7) Mr. Murray Brookman, 14715 Sobey Raod
8) Mrs. Donald E. Dorsey, 19361 San Marcos Road
9) ":M~'~{~'~. Antonioli, Attorney representing
'Mr.'!=a~d~M~b'~~ Steve Sherick, 14127 Sobey Meadows Court
10) Mrs. R. C. Boylan, 14670 Sobey Road
11) Ms. Mary Ann Lahann, 19516 Douglass Lane
12) Mr. John Terry, Chairman, Trails and Pathways Task Force
13) Mr. Robert Turk, Principal, Rolling Hills Jr. High School
14) Assemblyman Richard D. Hayden
15) Mrs. Jo Ann Chleboun, 14155 Sobey Meadows Court
16) Mrs. Jennifer~Taylor, no address indicated
17) Mrs. Charles A. Overland, 12901 Foothill.Lane
18) Mrs. Dorothy Miller, nozaddress indicated.
19) Ms. Julie Jameson, no address indicated. '
20) Mr. and Mrs. David Nightengale, 15483 Bohlman Road
21) Dr. Jack J. Salsbury, Assistant Superintendent-Business,
Campbell Union School District
~ice~Mayor Kraus opened the public hearing at 8:11 P.M.
Rosie Dorsey, representing the Saratoga 4-H Club, addressed
the Council. She asked: "What is the first thing that comes
to your mind when you think of the City of Saratoga?" To
this~she replied: "You think of a quiet rural residential
area -- you can think of all the beauty, the hills, the trees
and even the animals. ~d~t~i~~ ~TX~'~e'l~:~ 'Wh~t-a beaufiful
place to live. "'
Easement - Sobey Meadows Court (Cont'd.)
She commented that recentl~ their 4-H Club was invited to
attend a 4-H Community Pride Conference in Sacramento, sponsered
by Chevron. As part of this c~nference, they had to submit a
project plan of what they proposed to do in~the!upcoming year.
The Community Pride Resource Team of the Saratoga 4-H Club noted
that there was some concern about trails and pathways in the
community at the time, and decided this would be a good project.
She explained that this plan is to help both the City get
started a~d help the citizens be aware of pathways in Saratoga.
Ms. Dorsey referred to an aerial map of the easement and
surrounding area. She explained that at the beginning of the
trail a temporary ~ehicle barrier shall be put up until ~
development is complete. They will trim the oak tree at the
beginning of the trail; the grading of an unnatural slope at
the south side of Lot 12; sandbags approximately behind Lot 11;
at the lower end of Lot 9.a for~'!shall be made at the crossing
to Arcadia Palms, and possibly a bridge; the clearing of brush
and shrubs along the trail. Also, they will paint a street line
on Arcadia Palms designating exactly where the trail goes, and
will provide screening plants to separate the trail from homes
along Sobey Meadows Court. She'dindicated'that an exact definition
of where the trail goes is marked either by railroad ties,
telephone poles, or markers. Also, their 4-H Club will set up
the necessary work days and all the labor needed to fulfill
their proposal, and when the development is complete~ they will
set up periodic check dates to see that minor maintenance is
taken care of. As to major maintenance, they hope to set up an
annual %pring clean up" for this section of trails, which would
include weeding, sign repairs, etc.
She indicated that the 4-H Club is also hoping that the City
will participate in their project by: Taking a survey of the
area so that the trail can be determined exactly; obtaining a
small portion of the easement not owned by the City at this
time; also, fencing is necessary at lots 10, 11 and 12.
Ms. Dorsey indicated that the,=~Community Pride Project is being
done in a local sense to help benefit this community, and is
not using 4-H on any other level. She commented that it is
hoped the City Council would approve the development of this
pathway.
Terrill Barco, 19101 Camino Barco, addressed the Council.
Col. Barco indicated he was a member of the'Trails Task Force
Committee and submitted the minority report. He commented that
the Trails Committee did not go over any other portion of the
trails more thoroughly than it did this one, and they did not
take the decision lightiX. 'He pointed out that this is trail
section D-l.~C~l~a~{~hated he had concurred in the
recommendat{o~ 'of ~he con~n{ttee at that time, and he still
concurs in the recommendation.
Col. Barco commented that he supported the concept of trails at
that time, and he still does, although it has been very difficult
at times for him to do this. He also appreciates the concern of
the private homeowner for his privacy and his property rights,
although he has deplored some of the actions taken!~n~_tt~jregard.
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Easement - Sobey Meadows Court (Cont'd.)
Col. Barco commented that if he were sitting where the Council
is, he would ask the following questions:of the City Attorney:
'_?~i~"b'8"~[~r~g~Y~f~t to an easement on two
'l'~f!deslof-~a-homeownerls~ot for trails when we also
have taken an easement for a sidewalk on another side?
He commented that if the answer were "yes", he would
ask himself: "Is it ethical? Is it right? Is it fair?
Is it not the grossest invasion of his privacy and
property rights; and most importantly, is it necessary
for the public good?
2) Does the public ha~e'the right to walk or to ride
a'horse on this easement when the City has not actually
declared it a pedestrian or equestrian trail does~
not even have a definition in its ordinances as to
what pedestrian and equestrian trails are?
3) If the City Attorney should say "Yes, the public can
have acce~sU~ he would then ask him, "What is the
City's liability for accidents on the easement, damage
to and trespass on private property, and gross intrusion
into the privacy-of adjacent homeowners due to the
failure of the City to properly grade, identify and
mark the easement, provide recommended streeting, etc."
4) What are some legal definitions or guidelines where
actions are truly.necessary for the public good and
justify a definite intrusion of individual privacy
and intrusion on private property.
Col. Barco stated that he would then ask the Mayor and members
of the Council: "Why have;we failed after one year, 4 months,
and 25 days to take decisive action on the Trails Task Force
Report, and why do we continue to avoid a public hearing on that
report? Why do we face these problems piecemeal ."
He indicated he would have the following recommendations:
1) Ask the above questions, and then take a definite
position on whether the public ispermitted on
these easements now under the conditions that exist
right now.
2) Take action on the Parks Commission's recommendation.
3) Have a public hearing on the Trails Task Force Report,
and establish some definitions and some policies.
4) Make a final decision on the portion of the easement
in question tonight.
Col. Barco commented that he feels it is time to get back to
basic definitiohs and make some decision and then go on to
settle all the little ones,
Vice Mayor Kraus commentedTthat the City Manager has advised
him that the Council did adopt the General Plan amendments
that were incorporated inthe Trails Task~Eo~ce Report, and
this was during a public hearing process.
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Easement Sobey Meadows Court (Cont'd.)
Mr. Clark Eikenbary, 14057 Arcadia Palms Drive, addressed the
Council. Mr. Eikenbary indicated he was very interested in
the 4-H projects .throughoUt California. However, he felt they
were over their h~ad in this project, and he is definitely
against this trail system.entering onto A~cadia Palms Drive.
Mr. Eikenbary indicated they have had a good number of problems
with the horseback riders and foot traffic onto Arcadia Palms.
He indicated he speaks~l'~"~6f~hf~s~{~b~rs .across the street,
Mr. and Mrs. Birkhold a~!~r4020+~rc-adi~ Pa~rms Drive. He pointed
out that the proposal of the 4-H Club is that the trail cross
the storm easement, which is in the back yard of the Birkhold's,
and onto Arcadia Palms. He commented that at various times,
the creek in this area erodes this bank and erodes the~ri~-
rap structure around the storm outlet, and in some instances
it is fn a very bad condition, with a vertical drop, and at
other times it is a very smooth condition, depending on the
flow of the water at that point.
Mr. Eikenbary related an incident whereby a little girl was
thrown off of her horse at this location, and when he offerred
assistance, she was very upset and wanted to leave the scene.
He indicated that the Birkhold's have had problems with riders
crossing -- not only the young people, but also the adults --
when they were only askingz the riders to stay off the shrubberies
and trees. He pointed out that there is a great liability here,
and indicated he would like to ask the Council: "Who stands
the liability of a horse falling down on its rider in his front
yard?" Mr. Eikenbary indicated that he does not wish to assume
this liability.
He further stated that if the trail is allowed to be continued
onto Arcadia Palms, he would ask: "Who maintains it? Who
polices it? Who handles the motorcyclists?" He commented that
he guarantees the jeepster~, dune buggies and motorcycles will
use this trail as it will be a short cut.for them.
Mr. Eikenbary further asked: "Wl~en the horses come on the~ .......
residential street, who is, going to take care of the ma~U'~."~~
Mr. Eikenbary indicated he. has taken care of the manure for
seven years and have said nothing, and the few times they
have mentioned this to the, adult riders, they give_them the non-
verbal shot of "in your ~ar". He commented that if this is
allowed to happen, expect a lot of horses -- a lot of horse
manure.
Gary Hart, 14187 Sobey MeadOws, addressed the Council and
commented that without attacking Col. Barco's remarks-, there
is a small disagreement, evidenced by the letter of July llth
from Mr. Kauffmann to Mr. Beyer, referencing the fact that the
committee actually walked the path not on the line shown on
the map.
Referencing page 1~, SectiOn 5=2(d) of the T~ F~rce Report,
it references a maximum grade permitting of 15 percent. Mr.
Hart stated that ~his.is obviously exceeded grossly on his
property on the south end~of the easement, which leads him to
further believe that the easemen~ was not actually walked.at
that point.
Mr. Hart further~ointed out that there is no legal crossing
point between the easements on the__easterly side of the creek
and Arcadia Palms without~a~i~i~n'~f'~'~'~b~
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Easement - Sobey Meadows Court (Cont'd.)
As a third point, Mr~ Hart pointed out that this is a loop
and in no way affects the integrity of the arterial trail
system. Also, the expense. items at the most conservative
estimat~amount~jto at least $10,000, for 1,200 feet of
trail. Subjective costs are: invasion of privacy, the
security aspect, and ecological damage, mainly to the oak
trees.
~'~vthe basis of the reasons stated, Mr. Hart indicated he
would request abandonment, and direct the City Manager to
deed the easements back to the property owners.
G. Carlson, Chairman of the Saratoga Parks and Recreation
CommisSion, addressed the Council. He stated he would like
to mention a few things that were brought out at the public
hearing before the Commission, and also that were observed
by the Connnissionwhen they took a tour of this location.
He commented that the proposed trail and the existing easement
does not follow the precise location of the prior trail in
that general area, but it was selected as a location that
would be a practical alternative to a trail that existed in
that general area prior to the overall development and
subdivision of that location. He further indicated there is
a substantial equestrian ihterest in this particular part of
Saratoga.
With regard to comments that have been made about the oak tree,
Mr. Carlson indicated that the Commission did request the
City's Parks
to what affect might be anticipated from a futu~
velopment at this location. It was felt that between a
combination of removal of ~ill and some minor trimming that
this would not be detrimental to the particular tree in question.
Mr. Carlson indicated there was excellent input on both sides
at the Parks and Recreation Commission public hearing.
Following the hearing, each member of the Commission was polled
for individual viewpoints,~and it was unanimous that this
easement not be abandoned at this time.
With regard to the question of access onto Arcadia Palms Drive,
Mr. Carlson indicated that the easements ar~t~n~=~i~l- ~at
that point. He stated that what exact a~ount ~of'~p~rty'we
would be talking about, in terms of additional acquisition,
would appear to be exceptionally small.
He indicated that from the standpoint of the Parks Commission.,
they felt this was an essehtial area in the ultimate design
of an effective trail system within the City. Also, they
felt it was not one which was being imposed u~on someone, but
was a pre-existin~ one and they felt it~'~L~a~'~Y~'d~had
very widespread public support. It was 71~r~fo~e
Commission's recommendation that no portion of the existing
easement be abandoned.
Councilman Matteoni inquired of Mr. Carlson if the Parks
Commission had heard the proposal as presented by the 4-H Club.
Mr. Carlson replied that they had heard the proposal subsequent
to their decision, and they were not aware of it at the time
they made their recommendation. He commented that this was
a very controversial issue and one iniwhich there were some
exceedingly strong feelings by various groups and individuals,
and it was recommended no action be taken until after the
hearing this evening, and no attempt be made to utilize the
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Easement - Sob~y Meadows Court (Cont!d.)
easement until it was more clearly defined by the Council.
John Hope, 14070 Arcadia Palm~ Drive, ad~ressed~he C~i'l.
He indicated that their property is immediately adjacent on
the same side ~f;~h~ stre'e~ as Mr. anHMrs'. Birkholdi~ Mr. HOpe
indicated that he expects that the crossing would take place
on his property. He furth&r commented that he and his wife's
concern is not for the minimal cost for the strip of land;
rather, he considers this a proposed inverse condemnation
because of the loss of privacy they would suffer with a trail
of horses parading behind ~heir property. Mr. Ho~e_indicated
he would further like to support~ ~ ~i~r~"I§';~{on ~0ut
residents should be considered.
Mr. Duffy, 18866 Ravenwood Drive, addressed the Council,
stating that his interest in keeping the easement open is
because of the fact he has horses himself occasionally, and
if the trail is ever developed, this would be his access to
ride out onto the trails. Mr. Duffy indicated that this
crossing has always been at this location, and the children
who attend MarshalLane School all cross at this location,
and it is a natural access.
Mr. Duffy commented that he never has met Col-;. Barco who
spoke earlier this evening, and the only person he has talked
to on this _matter is ~Mr.. Terry~~ne~t~'~=~at"h~'7~ei{~V~s
~ry-~dilf~l~urt~E~'~put a trail through there,.re=Therefore, he
indicated he would like to'keep the easement in its present
location.
Ron Hills, 18588 Woodbank Drive, commented
similar to the one on the far side -- surrounded on three
sides by streets, with a house in the back. He indicated
that they have easements on all four sides,~nd this has not
created any ~roblems for them. Mr. Hills commented that them
the streets, it creates more of a hazard for both the kids and
the drivers. Further, to get from certain places, such as
Quito or Sobey, to MarshalLane School, this became somewhat of
a problem.
Mr. Hills indicated that he is speaking in favor of keeping
equestrian zones, and if the City is planning to go ahead wfth
their plan of equestrian trails, they should not give up the
land.
With regard to liability, Mr. Hills asked: "What is the difference
between having a horse or a car come over your property, and
are you going to barricade all the cars from the property?"
~mi~e~t~equestrian trails can be of real benefit to
~i~y'~'~ctually increase property values, and they
really add to the enticement of ~the ci-ty. He commented that
this city has a great ~r~ep~_f~[~'~on ~having .~ 'rUral-type atmos-
phere, and he would like to ~k~t that way.
JoAnne Chleboun, 14155 Sobey Meadows Court, addressed the Council.
She commented that during recent months when this easement has
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Easement - Sobey Meadows Court (Cont'do)
been discussed with the Council, she has always felt confident
the Council would consider their petition on the merits of
whether this easement met certain criteria which is stated in
the Trails and Pathways Task Force Report. She quoted from
the preface of the report:
"Constant consideration is given to: 1) rights of
property owners; 2) deterfence of vandalism;
3) safety of both trail users and property owners."
On page 8, Criteria for Route Selection - Factors of Major
Significance, number 3 states:
"Suitability of the section, the angle of the climb,
availability of enough width for a full use trail,
complexity of conversion for trail ~se."
Number 5 states:
"Privacy, proximity of route~to developed property."
Mrs. Chleboun stated that as she read this entire report, she
felt there was to be~primary consideration given~.'6~7~the
property owners and perhaps secondary consideration given to
the needs of trails and pathways. She further stated that when
the Task Force Report was written pertaining to this particular
easement, the part they saw is now covered by a tennis court.
She pointed out that this is at the south end of the easement.
She commented that when the original plat was drawn, there
were no houses on Sobery Meadows Court, and certainly no one
to protest, because the builder was requested to do this, and
this was a part of getting his permit to build.
Mrs. Chleboun commented that she_would hope the Council would
now consider whether the original concept is compatible with
the area as it has been allowed to develop, and she believes
it is not. Further, she would hope that in the future, the
Council would be first of all concerned about the families
who will be impacted by their decision.
In Section C of the Task Force Report, Mrs. Chleboun pointed
out that the recommended width is 8 feet for the maintenance
vehicles, and there are areas in which it is much less than
8 feet.
The recommended grade in Section D is 10 percent, with a
maximum 15 percent for any horse use. Mrs. Chleboun indicated
that it is her understanding the grade on Mr. Hart's property
is approximately 35 percent.
Mrs. Chleboun commented that it is further her understanding
that the Task Force did notinclude the two lots at the north
end of the easement in the proposed trail for the very reason
that the creek banks were too steep, and because they probably
didn't walk exactly on the easement where the Council did, they
did not know that the south end had a steep bank, rather than
a genetle slope.
She pointed out on page 18, Section 8, Public Safety - Trail
Patrol and Surveillance, it states:
"The primary solution to trail management was surveillance.
Vandalism and petty criminals are not anxious to ply
their trade when there is some chance of being observed
and reported."
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Mrs. Chleboun indicated that it has been stated that this
section is the only one in.the Sobey Road area that has a
proposed trail that goes through side and back yards. She
commented that she feels very strongly that trails in built
up areas need to be visible from back yards. In case a rider
or someone walking has a problem and they are visible from
the street, they can be helped; however, where a trail goes
behind houses and is not visible from the street, a rider
could have trouble, a child could encounter strangers, and
unless someone was home on this property, no one would.be
there to help. Therefore,'Mrs. Chleboun indicated she would
urge the Council consider putting trails and pathways in very
· visible areas.
With regard to the Saratoga 4-H Club proposal, Mrs. Chleboun
felt it was Very presumptive of them to have chosen this
particular easement. She commented that none of these people
live in the area, and at the Parks and Recreation Commission~
Meeting on November 7, it was'admitted that they had not
visited the easement prior to drawing up their proposal. But
they took their proposal tO a state conference in Sacramento
and ~ere given a small grant by the Chevron Corporation to
pursue this project, They had not contacted any of the property
'owners Whose property was involved, and they had not at that
time even seen the' easement,
Mrs. Chleboun indicated she would like to address the matter
of public safety -- that is, using the easement as a pathway
to the school. She stated'that she has been concerned about
the safety'of children going to ~chool for a long time. She
pointed out that in her letter to the Council, dated October 27,
she pointed.out that bus service is now available to all
children living north of A%lendale and in the Chester-Ten Acres
area. Further, for the'elementary school children living on
Arcadia Palms, the problem of their access to walk to school on
Sobey Meadows Court has easily been settled between the neighbors.
She commented that, since the School D'i~ict has purchased two
new Buses, they are committed to providing transportation for
school children. Referencing the letter from the-principal of
Marshal Lane School, she quoted:
"I do feel that since the SchoolDistrict is providing
bussing for the students and their safety, I prefer and
urge that students take the buses to and from school."
Mrs. Chteboun indicated that she represents six families who
are concer~ed for safety, privacy, security and their own
rights as property owners. Further, they are not selfish
people, as referred to in a flyer which was distributed in
their neighborhood~ which asked~eopte to contact the principal
at Marshal Lane, when in fact he did not even know about this
flyer. Rather, they are s'ix families who have a right to the
petition process, and ask only for a public hearing to express
their concerns.
R. E. Kaufmann, 20700 Fourth Street, addressed the Council.
He indicated that. he live's nowhere near the easement in
question,.and he was a member of the Trails and Pathways Task
Force. Mr. Kaufmann commented that when he walked this path,
he did not walk'the path which is subsequently being shown --
· they were, considerably to the'south of where the easement
actually is. He further commented that where this particular
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easement is located, he, considers this a total rape of the
property. Mr. Kaufmann stated that he can show the Council
places near E1 Quito Park where the original trail ran along-
side a six-foot fence which protected property, and they
still moved the trail because it was objectionabl~ to property
owners.
He commented that the rest2 of the trail down to the revised
point of crossing, the Commission did not find objectionable.
The reason they chose the revised crossing point was because
as they proceeded north along the trail, they got closer and
closer to the backyards of homes and the slope of the ground
changed. Therefore~ where the slope originally protected the
occupants of the houses and hid the trail from direct encroach-
ment on the backyard up toward Lots 8, 9 and 10, this became
tQ~t_a. lly objectionable so they jumped the creek. ??L~_~=~ ~
'Mr."Kaufmann indicated .that the part of the trail that is
personally objectionable to him is the easement alongside
Mr. Hart's hquse, not because it was mis~.represented, but
they were not shown the right property. He would not have
voted for it then, and he would not vote for it now.
He stated that h~ .concurred that the rest of the trail he would
not consider to be particularly damaging to property owners.
He felt that the Council shou~l~ ialso bear in mind that the
easement was not a walkway easement originally, but a flood
control easement, and the walkway was an afterthought. In
terms of property usage, he stated a flood control easement is
entirely different from a public walkway or equestrian trail.
The use by the Flood Control District is a couple of ~imes~a
year, and at present, they don't even drive their trucks
He stated that once this is made a public trail of any kind,
it changes the entire nature, both with respect to the property
owners and the users, and he felt .this should be considered.
Mr. Kaufmann stated he would like to~'~nal~[~[~'~olloWin~.~%~'~-ii%~~
_The~r~!ailS_cDn~3ittee was activated in Jdh~'~"~Y~"~_~C~0~
too long to do their job, and now the City has taken too long
to do its job, and he believes the citizens' should be allowed
to know why. Mr. Kaufmann asked how many years the City thought
it could delay or bank other people's land without using it.
Therefore.,._~he felt part of the Council's consideration should
in~lnd~ ~h~j~a~n =6Y'~'iZ'~'~.iI.:of time the Ciky could hbld
ont6~'v'~iS~s~m~h=e~s'~it~ut7--doiHg' something about them. He
felt the City has to do something about the rights of the indi-
viduals who own prop'erty which is being lmpeached.
There being no further comments from the audience at this time,
It was moved by Councilman Brigham and sedonded by Couhcilwoman
Corr the public hearing be closed. The motion was carried
unanimously; the public hearing was closed at 9:15 P.M.
Councilman Brigham commented that he walked this trail, and one
thing that he was concerned about was the fact that the trail
itself was not marked off; therefore, he felt one of the con-
siderations the City should make in the future is to take a
survey of the trail and marking it off so the property owners
can start putting up trees, etc. to fence the trail off.
Also, he co~nented that he is very much in favor of the
pr6ject, and he is in favor of keeping this trail
Mr. Brigham further commented that one of things that swayed
him in these deliberations is the fact that children are going
Easement - sobey Meadows Court .(Cont'd.)
.from the Allendale area to'Marshal Lane, and he believes
busing is' going to go, and this will be one of the trails
people can use to Marshal Lane. He therefore moved denying
the request for abandonment of the easement at the rear of
properties on Sobey Meadow~ Court, Tract 5161.
Councilwoman Corr inquired of the City Attorney if as an
easement, this is really open to the public as a trail.
Mr. Johnston, City Attorney, replied that' if it is a dedicated
public easement, he cannot say if it is actually open to the
public in that the City ha~ the power to prevent people from
going on it. However, he would assume it is open to the public.
He further pointed out that once it is a public easement, a
governmental agency has the power to restrict its use or not.
The City Manager indicated that he did ta~e steps administratively
to t~mporarily close the trail until after the hearing this
evening because of some conflicts which were existing on the
easements.
Councilman Kraus commented'that after walking the~trail in
this area, reviewing the Parks and Recreation Commission
minutes, as well as the Trails and Pathways Committee Report
and listening [o the testimony this evening, it is his opinion
the City~h'8~'~d~'.~b_~_~id~'~f~-~£1~'~ ~'i~n~i~e Y~t~it' was
very impo~an'~"~ ~k& {~"'~6~si~ion
neighbors. He recommended~the~matter be referred to the Parks
and Recreation Commission for immediate review to d&termine
the exact location of the trail, and then bring it back to the
Council to determine what the best area would be for the easement.
~ou~cilman Kraus indicatedhe is particularly concerned with
the south end of the trail, as well as the crossing.
Upon the recommendation of ,the City Manager, it was moved by
Councilman Brigham and seconded by Councilman Matteoni to deny
the request by property owners for the abandonment of the
pedestrian/equestrian easement at the rear of properties on
Sobey Meadows Court, Tract 5164, authorize the staff to proceed
to hire a surveyor to stake out the exact trail location, after
which time staff would meet with the Parks and RecreatioD
Commission_to assess problem
C'[~S~ s ~_~'7~'~ ~f~ ~in~i'~i~7~ f '-~~i~'7~ ~ s. ~e 1 i '~ ~o~7~~
'&nt e package
~ t~ 'the ~8~n~{~ "~? S~: ~ay~:~Incl~~~'~{~ -motT6~-was-J~
clbs~' oY~tHi~t~H~:YOP~'D~iSd of 30 days while deliberations
are taking place on this property. The motion was carried
unanimously.
B. CONSIDE~TION OF APPEAL RE: P~NNING CO~ISSION DECISION
CONCERNING DESIGN REVIEW APPROVAL OF FENCING AND ~NDSCAPING
OF PATHWAY LOCATED ON CARNIEL AND SA~TOGA-SUNNYVALE ROAD
(APPLICATION A-535)
The City Manager indicated this applicant has requested post-
poning this hearing. to January 4. This was acceptable to the
Council.
VII; ADMINIST~TIVE ~TTERS (Center.)
C. DEPAR~NT H~DS AND OFFICERS
(Mayor Bridges arrives)
D. CITY MANAGER
1. Report Re: Library Commission Vacancy
The Council authorized ~he City Manager to advertise for
the vacancy of Commissioner Isaak.
2. Report Re: Northwest Saratoga Circulation Element
The Council approved setting this matter for public hearing
on January 4, 1978.
3. Request to Re-schedule Committee of the Whole Meeting
The Council concurred in the City Manager's recommendation
IV. PETITIONS, ORDINANCES AND FORMAL RESOLUTIONS (Cont'd.)
A. ORDINANCE NS-3.40
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF SARATOGA PROPOSED BY THE INITIATI~Ei
PROCESS (ELECTIONS CODE SECTIONS 4000-4021) AMENDING THE ZONING
ORDINANCE BY PROHIBITING STADIUMS (second reading)
It was moved by Councilman Brigham and seconded by Mayor
Bridges to adopt the Negative Declaration in connection with
this project, and adopt Ordinance NS-3.40. The motion was
carried 4 to r, Councilwoman Corr in opposition.
VIII. COMMUNICATIONS
A. WRITTEN
1. Mr. Allen De Grange, Allen De Grange and Associates, re-
questing that the Parks and Recreation fee for the senior
citizen housing project on Saratoga Court be waived.
It was moved by Mayor Bridges and seconded by Councilman
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e Councl%wo~an Corl_indicated she would be inclined to grant
the request for ~90 percent waiver of fees, in that this is
adjacent to a very large park area and the development is
anticipated to be a low rental development.
The motion to grant the 50 percent waiver of the Parks and
Recreation fee was carried, 3 to 2, Councilwoman Corr and
Councilman Matteoni in opposition.
Mr. De Grange addressed the Council, explaining that FHA
has accepted his figures; however, his figures are not
realistic, and he is having to come up with additional money
in order to proceed with'this project.
Councilman Brigham indicated he would be willing to reconsider
this request, it it wereCp~S~y[~sely known whether or not the
project hinged on the $7,000~Pazks and Recreation fee.
It was the consensus of the Council to carry this item over
to.the Committee of the Whole Meeting fo':allow Mr. De Grange
to bring back to the council any additional information con-
cerning this financial situation.
2. Mr. Thomas A. Barnett, 13130 Ten Oak~ Way, requesting better
screening of applicants for door-to-door solicitation.
This matter was referred to the staff for consideration
of possible modification of solicitation time limit, from
7:00 P.M. to 5:00 P.M.
3..Mayor Donald Conley, California City, requesting the
Council's help in the re-organization of the Criminal Justice
System. - Noted and filed.
4. Mr ~ RiC~a~ "~'~e~'~ 'Z0~6~Gi~l~ Drive, indicating
opp~i~i~'~to~'~°d~'i~n~t~' I~itia~ive Petition. Noted and
filed.
B. ORAL
C. ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF PUBLIC GROUP REPRESENTATIVES
The Mayor recognized the presence of public group representatives,
as follows:
~ G. Carlson, Chairman, Parks and Recreation Corm~.~'i~:!
Ed Gomersall, Parks and Recreation Cornmission
3ohn Terry, Parks and Recreation Commission
Gladys Armstrong, Los Gatos-Saratoga A.A.U.W.
Nick Frank, President, West Valley Environmental
and Taxpayers Association
Sally Price, League of Women Voters
IX. ADJOURNMENT
It was moved by Mayor Bridges and seconded by Councilman Brigham
adjournment of the meeting to an Executive Session for the purpose
of discussing matters of personnel. The motion was carried. The
meeting was adjourned at 10:00 P.M.
Robert F. Beye~~'~
City Clerk
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