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~~' CITY OF SARATOGA PLANNING COMMISSION
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DATE: March 8, 1994 - 7:30 p.m.
PLACE: City Council Chambers, 13777 Fruitvale Ave.
TYPE: Regular Meeting
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Roll Call
Commissioners Present: Wolfe, Caldwell, Asfour, Murakami,
Jacobs, Kaplan, Chr. Moran
Pledge of Allegiance
Minutes - 2/1/94 & 2/23/94
RAPLAN/WOLFE MOVED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF 2/1/94, AS PRESENTED. .
PASSED 6-0-1 (Asfour abstain).
CALDWELL/JACOBS MOVED TO CONTINUE THE MINUTES OF 2/23/94 TO THE
NEXT MEETING. PASSED 7-0.
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REPORT OF POSTING AGENDA
Pursuant to Government Code 54954.2, the agenda for this meeting
was properly posted on March 4, 1994.
Technical Corrections to Packet
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CONSENT CALENDAR
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PUBLIC HEARING CONSENT CALENDAR - None
PUBLIC HEARINGS **
1. PD-94-001 - BA Properties, Inc./Greenbriar Homes; 13150
Saratoga Ave., request for a Planned
Development-Conceptual Plan approval to
construct 95 single family detached residences
at the 24 acre former Paul Masson Winery site.
The subject property is located on Saratoga
Ave. north of Route 85 and is zoned Multiple
Use-Planned Development (MU-PD).
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Planner Walgren presented the staff report dated March 8, 1994. He
stated five major areas to be discussed at this hearing are as
follows:
1. The amount of common open land incorporated into the project.
2. The public safety and/or aesthetic implications of the
originally proposed 26 ft. wide roadways.
3. Could higher density "affordable" housing be included?
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4. Should the City
the development
impact fees?
consider requiring some public parkland within
in lieu of the anticipated park maintenance
5. Concern about large homes on relatively small parcels.
Mr. Walgren reviewed staff's responses to each of the above, as
outlined in the staff report.
Planning Director Curtis stated he attended the March 7th Parks and
Recreation Commission meeting, who felt that the layout of the
project including the linear pathway system and the open space was
an acceptable use of the property. However, they did feel that the
park requirement should be implemented by the City and fees should
be collected in lieu of a park. He stated a specific suggestion
was made at this meeting regarding a pedestrian access onto
McFarland Ave.
Com. Caldwell stated she attended the Parks and Recreation
Commission meeting and reiterated changes that were made to the
minutes of the February 28th meeting. She noted that three of the
six commissioners present specifically mentioned a preference for
turning the four southeast lots into a concentrated open space.
She stated they felt that the open space provided for the pathway
was a nice design feature, but an unusable space. Com. Caldwell
added, at the February 28th meeting five commissioners spoke in
favor of converting the park fee into a park on this site.
Planning Director Curtis stated there is a distinction between park
space and open space and if a park site was to be required on site,
that would take away the possibility of receiving in-lieu fees.
Mr. Curtis reviewed the concentrated open space proposed and noted
it is in keeping with the specific plan, but not to be substituted
for a public park. He stated the 4.78 acres would not be counted
as park dedication credit that is required as part of the
subdivision.
Com. Jacobs stated that the 4.7 acres required open space is a
minimum and the Commission can require for more.
Mr. Curtis stated the 4.7 acres is a design feature that will off-
set, narrow streets, small lots, density, etc. He stated the park
fees collected from this project will be added to the park fund and
used for park services and improvements.
Com. Caldwell stated at the February 28 Parks and Rec. meeting,
Greenbriar presented earlier plans which showed concentrated open
space and other Commissioners have not seen these plans. Com.
Caldwell asked the City Attorney about Com. Wolfe's involvement in
this project because of his employment with the Building Industry
Association.
City Attorney Riback stated that he did speak to Com. Wolfe and
provided him with a written opinion to the affect that there is no
conflict of interest. He noted there are approximately 1200
memberships in this trade association and Com. Wolfe's position
with the Trade Association, will not benefit him financially from
this project, therefore there is no conflict of interest.
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Mr. Mark Pierce, Chr., Parks and Recreation Commission, stated they
do not have any money in the park funds but actually minus
$125,000. He stated as a result of the last meeting, the plan with
the modifications for the McFarland access and additional open
space would be acceptable to the extent that they would also be
entitled approximately $700,000 in park dedication fees. He stated
soccer and baseball fields are needed in the community and this
could not be accomplished in this area, but with the use of the
park dedication fees this may be possible in other areas of the
City. Mr. Pierce stated the Commission did not pursue the idea of
a neighborhood park at the southeast corner, as addressed by Com.
Caldwell.
Com. Murakami asked Mr. Pierce to expand on Com. Clark's comments
regarding a considerable large portion of the open space pathways
being unusable.
Mr. Pierce stated Com. Clark's concern was that some of the open
space provided is not traditional open space, such as the
driveways. He stated there is a distinction between the open space
and the front yard space.
Com. Caldwell stated, based on the approvals granted by the
Planning Commission, if all the permits were taken out, the park
development fee would be augmented by approximately $1.5 million.
She urged the Parks Commission to find out more about this figure.
Mr. Curtis stated when the Parks and Recreation budget was
anticipated, this development as well as Kerwin Ranch was included
in the budget. He stated these two projects would be a major
portion of the figure discussed by Com. Caldwell.
Regarding the open space, Planner Walgren stated the 4.32 acres is
common open space which is available to the occupants of this
development. There are also 2.72 acres, which includes the front
yards and the individual parcels. He noted staff did not use this
figure in their assessments. Mr. Walgren reviewed the setbacks
required for this project, as well as the typical setbacks
required.
Com. Caldwell stated at the February 28, Parks and Recreation
meeting, they did develop a consensus opinion that all the
Commissioners wanted to maximize the open space and asked if this
is still how the Commission felt regardless of whether the ~g
go forward with additional purchase of land for a
park? Mr. Pierce stated the Parks Commission wants to maximize the
open space on this property. He noted one of the advantages the
Parks Commission seen from this project was the local landscaping
and lighting district proposed. He stated this is an advantage to
the City, but would still like to have as much concentrated open
space as possible.
Com. Caldwell stated if the Commission concluded that it was
inappropriate to have the pathway area slotted for publicly owned
land, but more appropriately slotted for private open space, would
this property be counted as part of the 4.78 acres?
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Planner Walgren stated the linear green belt and the common open
space proposed is a requirement of the MUPD zoning specific plan
regardless whether it's private common space or dedicated for
public use. He stated it would be beneficial to have the entire
right-of-way dedicated for public access. Mr. Walgren noted the
Fire District is satisfied with the plan as proposed with the
primary access onto Saratoga Avenue with the secondary restrictive
emergency access at Afton Ave. He stated they are not pursuing an
additional access.
Mr. Curtis stated the Afton Ave. access is for pedestrian access
only, but dedicated for emergency access. He stated there are many
points to consider with this project: common space -
private/public; landscape and lighting maintenance district
proposed; the open space required; Parks and Recreation Commission
would like to see the money dedicated into a parks fund. He stated
this is basically a mixed-use planned development specific plan and
there is a lot of flexibility. He stated all the attractive
features are trade-offs for smaller lots and larger homes.
Com. Asfour asked how large the section of open space against the
sound wall is?
Planner Walgren stated he would calculate this.
Com. Asfour asked who owns this property?
Planner Walgren stated the applicant did present at the Parks and
Recreation Commission meeting that they had an opportunity to
acquire additional land, which is on the project side of highway 85
soundwall, it is surplus land at this point. He stated this
property is approximately .5 acres and the applicant is confident
they can purchase or receive encroachment for landscaping purposes.
He noted the project is being considered with the expectation that
this property will be included.
Com. Kaplan asked how much ownership must this developer have of
this open space for the City to be able count on continuous control
over the .5 acres?
City Attorney Riback stated the developer, at the very least, would
have to obtain an easement over the property for the purpose of
providing the greenbelt. He stated if they dedicated it to the
City they would have to own it outright.
Chr. Moran opened the public hearing at 8:11 p.m.
Ms. Carol Meyer, representing Greenbriar, stated they have been
building in the valley since mid 1970. She noted they have a
reputation for quality and have recently built two award winning
projects. She noted when the proposed plans were discussed at the
work session five key concepts emerged. They are as follows: use;
density; internal roadway; open space; and house size. She noted
they have taken the recommendations from the work session and the
Central Fire Department as well as the Parks and Recreation
Commission, and are here to present the revised plan.
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USE - Ms. Meyer noted they are proposing a residential use and the
project consists of 95 detached houses, the use is consistent with
the low density option and the first choice of the community, when
the specific plan was adopted. Ms. Meyer addressed affordable
housing and stated it would not be appropriate for this property.
DENSITY - Ms. Meyer stated lots proposed are approximately 7800 sq.
ft., in addition they are proposing to provide 2000 sq. ft. of open
space per home to be landscaped and dedicated as a public park.
She stated they are providing just under 10, 000 sq. ft. of land per
home. She added the public space will be maintained by the
property owners. She stated the open space provided meets the
letter of the MUPD zoning and the spirit of the specific plan. She
stated it will allow the developer to build a beautiful and unique
community.
ROADWAY - Ms. Meyer stated the width of the roadway has increased
and is acceptable to Central Fire and Public Works. She noted
there will be two full lanes in and out of the community and a left
turn lane. She added emergency access will be provided onto Afton
Ave.
OPEN SPACE - Ms. Meyer stated they are saving the City
approximately $30,000 per year on the maintenance.
Mr. Paul Lateri explained how more open space was obtained and
noted they tightened up the plan. He stated he would like to have
the driveways minimized and pointed out that only 37 houses front
the open space. He believes most of the open space is useable.
Mr. Lateri pointed out that the widest point of the open space is
75 to 80 feet. He also noted they are proposing to plant 600 new
trees and they will look at the pedestrian access onto McFarland.
He reviewed the setbacks proposed, as outlined in the plans. He
stated the walls proposed will be covered with vines.
Com. Wolfe asked if traditionally, a linear park in a metropolitan
area, by definition, is one that has access by the public, but
would be bisected by some form of ingress/egress?
Mr. Lateri stated the linear park is a different concept and noted
the idea of the driveways going across the open space can be dealt
with.
Com. Murakami stated he visited a Greenbriar development in
Cupertino and the roads are 33 ft. wide.
Mr. Lateri stated the roads have parking on both sides of the
street and this project allows for parking on one side of the
street only.
Com. Murakami asked if any consideration was given to 10,000 sq.
ft. lots? Mr. Lateri stated this is not a specific criteria,
because it is not the zoning that the site is governed by.
Com. Murakami stated the project in Cupertino, the houses are set
very close to each other.
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Mr. Lateri stated that project does not have the open space concept
included in this project.
Regarding the parking, Com. Asfour asked if it practical to ask a ,
resident not to park in front of their home?
Mr. Lateri stated there is sufficient parking provided and does not
believe this will be an issue.
Com. Asfour asked the target retail price for the homes, Ms. Meyer
stated between $500,000 and $600,000.
Chr. Moran asked about the lot size. Mr. Lateri stated the average
lot size, plus the open space is approximately 9800 sq. ft.
Com. Jacobs questioned how the open space was increased from the
original proposal, when there are still 95 lots and the width of
the street has increased? He noted in the plans received by the
Commission in February, the average lot size was 7200 sq. ft. and
its now almost 7800 sq. ft.
Mr. Lateri stated the typical lot size was 7200 sq. ft. on the
original plans, but the average lot size was not calculated. He
noted they have tightened up the plan and added .56 acres to the
site from the Cal-Trans property.
Chr. Moran asked who many lots would be allowed if the average lot
size was 10,000 sq. ft. Com. Murakami stated there would be
approximately 75 homes allowed if lots were a minimum of 10,000 sq.
ft.
Mr. Lateri stated that the lots vary in size some are almost 12,000
sq. ft. and others are 6300 sq. ft., but the majority of the lots
are 7200 sq. ft.
Mr. Goodwin Steinberg stated this project is good for the community
and the homes are designed well. He reviewed the basic features of
the homes and spoke in support of the project. He stated there is
10 ft. between the houses and privacy was addressed by placing the
main windows at the front and back.
Mr. Gary Lang, 13127 Montrose, spoke in favor of the revised plan
and noted his neighbors are in support of total residential. He
stated this is not an appropriate site for commercial as the
neighborhood will be impacted by highway 85 and any commercial will
bring additional traffic. He stated the plan proposed is
attractive and innovative and spoke in support of the linear park
and curving streets. Mr. Lang stated the curving streets will slow
down traffic and give children an opportunity to play on the
streets. He also spoke in favor of the landscape plan and does not
feel there is any need to decrease the density. He stated this is
the only remaining large parcel in Saratoga and the use of this
property for affordable housing is not acceptable to the neighbors.
Com. Caldwell stated she was approached by a neighbor of Mr. Lang
who addressed a newspaper article regarding this property being
used for an ethnic grocery market, she noted the neighbor indicated
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there was much uproar about this.
neighborhood feel about this?
She asked Mr. Lang how the
Mr. Lang stated if this were to become a commercial development
traffic would be impacted. He stated the newspaper article was
upsetting to many neighbors. He spoke in support of the plan
proposed.
Com. Kaplan stated there is a lack of housing for seniors, and
asked had this been considered for this site?
Mr. Lang stated his neighbors have discussed many options for this
property and the previous developer had proposed senior housing and
the density was much higher. He stated they are not against senior
housing, but are against "affordable housing". He stated he would
favor 10,000 sq. ft. lots, but if the density was reduced the price
of homes would increase. He stated it is the neighbors consensus
that this is the best use for the land and something that can be
done in a short period of time. He noted time is an issue for the
neighbors.
Com. Kaplan addressed the City's requirement from the State to meet
their housing requirement and the possibility of being sued for not
meeting the housing requirement.
Com. Jacobs asked was any consideration given to the possibility of
varying densities throughout the project?
Mr. Lang stated the neighbors looked at many options for this
property, but are in favor of the plan proposed.
Ms. Wanda Henry, Fee Management Co., stated she manages Quito
Shopping Center and noted there is 11,000 sq ft. of vacant space in
this center. She believes residential in this area will help the
center and noted there are not enough tenants to support more
commercial on this site. She stated she is very impressed with the
development and it will be an asset to the Community. She stated
the pedestrian access onto McFarland would be an advantage.
Mr. Ed Vincent, 13617 Westover Dr., spoke in favor of the plan
proposed and noted this is more favorable than any high density
multi housing or commercial. He stated his only objection is to
the substandard lots and the street size. He believes the
developer bought the property knowing the codes of the City
regarding lot and street size. He does not believe the codes
should be amended for economic reasons.
Ms. Rose Marie Culpan, 19213 Vineyard Ln., spoke in support of the
development and stated this is much better than anything presented
previously. She stated she is opposed to commercial and likes the
concept of the trees and the project will look good when developed.
Ms. Chris Favero, 19549 Vineyard Ln., stated she strongly supports
the plan as proposed and believes it is consistent with the
character of Saratoga. She noted they are opposed to commercial
development.
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Mr. George Vetre, Vineyard Ln., spoke in support of the proposed
plan and stated it will help increase property values of
surrounding neighborhoods. He noted there are affordable housing
units throughout Saratoga. In response to Com. Wolfe's question,
Mr. Vetre stated he does not believe parking will be a problem.
Further, Mr. Vetre responded that his condo complex has 165 units.
Ms. Sandra Lane, 13712 Montrose, spoke in favor of the plan
proposed and believes it is the appropriate use for the site, and
the neighborhood is also in support. She stated the neighbors are
happy with the sidewalk and linear park proposed. Ms. Lane stated
the Planning Commission should listen to the neighbors who will be
most impacted by this development. She noted they are opposed to
any commercial on this property. She stated the applicant has
addressed the size of the units and come back with a size which is
compatible with the neighboring homes. She spoke in support of the
open space and is opposed to high density or commercial.
Com. Caldwell asked Ms. Lane, how the neighborhood would feel if
the Commission asked the developer to develop the four lots on the
southeast corner as open space?
Ms. Lane stated more open space would be great, but they would
oppose this if cost was an issue and the developer could not
develop at all, because of this requirement.
Mr. Art Liss, representing homeowners in Saratoga Woods, noted he
reviewed the plan proposed and believes these are much needed homes
in an established neighborhood.
Mr. Peter Lesley, 15100 Saratoga Ave., stated he concurs with the
previous speakers. He added all the neighbors are in favor of this
project and would like to see it go forward. He is opposed to
higher density or commercial development.
Mr. Martin Chainey, Afton Ave., stated recently their biggest
concern has been highway 85 and the state of the Paul Masson
property. He stated the neighbors on Afton Ave. are unanimous in
their support for this project. He believes this development is
compatible with the neighborhood and issues of the neighborhood,
such as noise, air quality, traffic, have been addressed by the
proposed plan. He stated he and his neighbors do not support
commercial development and would like to see the plans proposed
expedited.
Ms. Rebecca Chainey, 18859 Afton Ave., stated any use of affordable
housing on this property will require higher density. She
expressed concern about traffic if the density was higher or
developed as commercial. She stated if there is a large park on
this property it will bring people from other parts of the City and
this will bring more traffic. She also expressed concern about air
quality. She spoke in support of the plans as proposed.
Ms. Mira Chainey, 18859 Afton Ave., stated she is speaking for the
neighborhood children. She stated there are no sidewalks in her
neighborhood and this project will give a safe place for children
and would like the plan approved.
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Mr. Greg Horn, Montrose St., spoke in support of the plan and noted
he is looking forward to riding his bike on the sidewalks proposed.
Mr. Dean Echie, resident, stated he is impressed with the proposed
plan and is concerned about more changes to the plan. He urged the
Planning Commission to approve this plan so the developer can start
construction while highway 85 is being constructed.
Mr. Norm Matteoni, 1740 Technology Dr., San Jose, BA Properties,
reviewed the adoption of the specific plan and noted this plan was
based on the City's requirement to get input from the people who
have spoke. He stated there was a plan of action to bring
development that would be acceptable to the community, and this has
been heard at this hearing. He noted the proposed plan speaks well
of the specific plan and is less dense than the MUPD zoning.
Ms. Carol Meyer stated what Greenbriar is proposing is real and if
the City requires more opens space, it won't pencil out. If the
number of units are reduced, it won't pencil out. If the lot sizes
are increased, it won't pencil out. If the house sizes are
reduced, it won't pencil out. She asked that the plans proposed be
approved and looks forward to working with the Commission for the
final plans. She stated they need to seek approval to go forward
and would like to get the roads in before the winter.
Com. Jacobs questioned what Greenbriar builds. Ms. Meyer stated
Greenbriar Homes Co. builds single family homes, an affiliate of
Greenbriar builds apartments.
Com. Jacobs addressed an article in the Business Journal, dated
February 14, which did not differentiate between Greenbriar and
it's affiliate. Ms. Meyer stated the article is incorrect.
Com. Wolfe noted that Mr. Steinberg is noted as an award winning
architect and asked how this project would compare to other award
winning projects and how it could be modified slightly to make it
a better project?
Mr. Steinberg stated when designing this property they were
thinking more in terms of finding a solution to the problem as
opposed to an award winning project. He believes this project is
good for the community and fits in well.
ASFOUR/MURARAMI MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. PASSED 7-0.
Chr. Moran stated the houses proposed are very close to each other
and asked are they compatible with the neighborhood?
Planner Walgren stated the neighborhood have a 6 to 10 ft. setback
per parcel. He noted the development adjacent to the east was
developed under County regulations and it is possible that there
could be less than a 10 ft. setback minimum.
Chr. Moran stated Ms. Meyer had said that the project would not
pencil out if any changes at all were made to the plan. Chair
Moran asked the City Attorney how issues of economics would this
fit into their calculations?
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City Attorney Riback stated the Planning Commission has been
advised in the past not to take economics into consideration when
making land use decisions.
Com. Kaplan asked staff about the applicant's request to reduce the
width of the driveways or be used by multiple homes.
Planner Walgren stated the applicant's request is to consider a
less than code requirement for a single family driveway. He noted
this can be modified, particularly in cases were there are
residents so close to a public street. He stated if the applicant
propose a 8 to 12 ft. driveway and central fire can accept this,
then staff believes it is acceptable, as long as the Planning
Commission feels there is still sufficient apron parking on the
actual property.
Com. Wolfe stated affordable housing is always a consideration, but
at this point in time and the specific plan, it is difficult to see
how this could be configured into this plan. He noted affordable
housing should be addressed in the future.
Com. Asfour stated, from a land use perspective, he was pleased
that no commercial use was proposed on this site and would prefer
all residential. He stated has no problem with the conceptual
design with some modifications.
Com. Caldwell stated that all residential is the appropriate land
use for this property.
Com. Murakami spoke in favor of all residential, as did Com. Jacobs
and Kaplan.
Chr. Moran also spoke in support of all residential and stated this
helps the Commission address many issues raised during the specific
plan. Chr. Moran stated to the public that the Commission is in
favor of all residential as opposed to commercial.
Com. Kaplan thanked Planner Walgren for a well planned land use
trip. She stated she did visit a number of other communities,
measured streets and compared, and would accept a 28 ft. street
with parking on one side. She expressed concerned about how this
could be controlled. She noted the houses are very large on small
lots, and believes the houses being so close together does not
reflect the suburban semi-rural character of Saratoga.
Com. Asfour stated the design aspect is very good and the overall
concept is good, but he cannot support the density proposed. He
stated the Commission cannot consider economics as addressed by Ms.
Meyer. He expressed concern about the house size on sub-standard
lots. He added he would like to see less units and more useable
open space.
Com. Caldwell stated she has heard a sense of urgency from the
public and the applicant to move forward on this project. She
noted it has been difficult and frustrating, as a Planning
Commissioner, watching the whole progress with this site and
realizes it has been a problem for the neighbors with regards to
noise and air pollution. She noted the neighbors have spoke out of
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frustration and the Commission is sensitive to this. She stated
the internal street plan is acceptable and believes the narrow
streets will help slow down traffic. She noted the pathway
proposed is a good design feature, but does not consider it open
space in terms of the guidelines set out in the specific plan.
Com. Caldwell stated she would like to maximize the useable open
space which is concentrated. She noted more open space, using the
four southeast lots, would be an improvement to the plan. She
noted one suggestion would be attached housing along Saratoga
Avenue, and this may be an opportunity to provide less expensive
housing. She expressed concern about large homes on small lots,
and stated it is essential to request the pedestrian access onto
McFarland to allow access to a community park and shopping center.
Com. Caldwell addressed the 10 ft. between structures and noted
this is very small given the size and height of the structures.
She added compatibility is an aspect the Planning Commission have
always paid close attention to, and it is important that this
development fit in with the existing neighborhood. To summarize,
Com. Caldwell stated the plan is close, the applicant should
consider consolidating and augmenting the open space, and put some
parameters on the setbacks. She stated she is not opposed to 95
homes if the applicant can deal with the setback and open space
issues. She stated the neighborhood needs some public open space
in this area and the Parks and Recreation Commission report a heavy
demand for open space.
Com. Jacobs stated he has found the whole process difficult. He
noted what the neighbors have to say is very important and Planning
Commissioners do share some of their concerns. He noted the
Planning Commission is not in favor of commercial on this site. He
expressed concern about traffic and noted the freeway will have an
impact on the neighborhood. He believes the neighbors are talking
from fear and frustration, and noted these are great motivators,
but it is the Planning Commission's job to make decisions based on
rules which include the City's General Plan and the Specific Plan.
He stated when the Commission considered multiple use for the
property last year, they did not envision all single family homes.
He stated 95 homes on small lots is a first for Saratoga, but
stated the Planning Commission was willing to go with single family
homes entirely, if this plan complied with the R1-10,000 zoning,
and this plan does not. He stated all single family homes would be
acceptable, but noted the density proposed is too great and the
plan is not acceptable to him. He stated at a hearing in February
he indicated that there was too much house on too little land and
suggested less than 95 lots. Also the plan proposed does not meet
the minimum required open space.
Com. Murakami stated the overall plan is good and believes the
linear open space could be sacrificed for a dedicated park, but
spoke in support of the overall design. He also expressed concern
about too much house on small lots. He believes the lots should be
increased to 10,000 sq. ft. and the project would still be
marketable. He stated he would like this project to move forward
as addressed by the neighbors.
Com. Wolfe stated he shares the concerns of other Commissioners
regarding open space, but they have heard from the neighbors that
this is a good plan. He stated if the density was reduced, then
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house prices increase. He noted the street plan is acceptable and
believes there are similar projects in Saratoga. He does not
believe this project will cause traffic problems and stated the
plan is workable. Com. Wolfe noted that in response to a previous
statement that, "This high density would be a first for Saratoga."
To recall the testimony of Mr. George Vetre who lives in the condo
complex on Vineyard Lane just across Saratoga Avenue from the Paul
Masson property, Mr. Vetre stated that there are 165 units, where
he lives, all of which are two stories high, on a site much smaller
than the Paul Masson property. He does not believe this project
will cause any traffic problems.
Further, Com. Wolfe said in reference to another previous remark
that the proposed homes "would be very, very expensive" that it
would be helpful to use as a perspective the fact that in 1993
about 30 homes were built in Saratoga all valued at near or over
$1,000,000 each and that in 1992 - 27 homes were built in Saratoga
all of which exceeded a million dollars in value. The proposed
development appears to be half those costs.
Com. Kaplan asked what the setback is for R1-10,000 lots?
Planner Walgren stated the minimum setback between two homes is 20
ft., unless it is a substandard parcel, then it becomes 10% of the
lot width. Planner Walgren stated there are only setback
requirements for rear yards in Multiple Use Planner Development
Zoning District, other setbacks are up to the discretion of the
Planning Commission based on what the developer proposes and shows
as reasonable.
Com. Kaplan stated the applicant will have benefit of the multiple
use zoning even though they are proposing all residential.
Planning Director Curtis stated the MPD zone is a flexible zoning
district and the surrounding area is taken into consideration and
leaves it open as to what the Planning Commission believe is
appropriate for the site. He stated if the Planning Commission
wish to consider single family homes which need to meet R1-10,000
zoning district, the MUPD is no longer necessary and the zoning
needs to be changed and start all over again. He stated this is a
flexible zoning district and R1-10,000 standards cannot be applied.
Chr. Moran stated she would like to see the City act expeditiously
to allow and encourage development on this property. She noted the
zoning designation provides flexibility in design and density, in
order to encourage development that is creative and innovative.
She stated a specific plan was developed to compliment and expand
on the MUPD zoning to reflect what the City and neighbors want.
She noted the proposal is for 95 large homes on small lots, she
stated residential use is appropriate but would prefer to see a
mix of houses with a wider price range. She is willing to
entertain this proposal as it seems to be what the neighbors want.
She noted if single family homes are going to be developed here,
they should be compatible with the adjacent neighborhood and
believes the plan proposed is close. She spoke in support of the
access to McFarland. She noted her main concern is the size of the
lots and density. She added she would be interested in an average
lot of 10,000 sq. ft. as stated in the Specific Plan. She believes
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this is a workable plan and they should work with the developer to
obtain a plan which is acceptable to all.
Planning Director Curtis stated the Planning Commission should re-
open the public hearing and ask the applicant if he is willing to
modify the plan or proceed with the plan as proposed.
Chr. Moran stated she is not sensing a no from the Commission, but
a plan that needs to modified.
Com. Asfour stated the Commissioners all agree that the plan is
good, but the major concern is the house size on small lots.
Chr. Moran re-opened the public hearing and asked the applicant
would they like a continuance at this time or for the Commission to
take a vote.
Mr. Tom de Regt, BA Properties, stated the zoning on the property
is MUPD zoning and the specific plan was adopted by the Planning
Commission and the reason. they will ask for a decision at this
hearing is because they feel they have brought a plan to the
Commission which is consistent with the specific plan adopted, and
this is the lower density alternative. He stated they have
listened to the neighbors, been consistent with the specific plan
and would like a decision at this hearing.
ASFOUR/JACOBS MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. PASSED 7-0.
Com. Wolfe moved for approval of PD-94-001 with the provision that
there be public pedestrian ingress/egress of appropriate width to
McFarland Avenue. Com. Asfour seconded for purposed of discussion. ,
Com. Caldwell stated she would like to see the McFarland pedestrian
access, more concentrated open space, dealing with the overbuilt
qualities of the development which have been addressed by
Commissioners, augmenting and consolidating open space. She stated
all residential is acceptable as is the street design. She stated
this area is a high density area and is lacking in open space.
THE ABOVE MOTION FAILED 1-6 (Caldwell, Asfour, Moran, Murakami,
Jacobs, Kaplan No).
ASFOUR/RAPLAN MOVED TO DENY APPLICATION PD-94-001 SUBJECT TO THE
COMMENTS MADE BY COMMISSIONERS AT THIS HEARING. PASSED 6-1 (Wolfe
No) .
The City Attorney was excused at this time.
2. DR-93-043 - Brook; 15043 Gypsy Hill Rd. (Lot #28), request
for Design Review approval to construct a new
5,305 sq. ft. two-story residence within the
San Marcos Heights Subdivision per Chapter 15
of the City Code. The parcel is approximately
43,278 sq. ft. and is located within an R-1-
40,000 zone district.
Planner Walgren presented the staff report dated March 8, 1994.
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Chr. Moran expressed concern about the amount of grading. Planner
Walgren explained the grading required and noted most of it is for
the horseshoe driveway. He added the grading for the house is
typical.
Chr. Moran opened the public hearing at 10:55 p.m.
Ms. Virginia Fanelli stated the parallel walls were an alternate
suggestion as a way to mitigate some grading, but decided
recontouring would take away the necessity for the walls. She
noted the house is set at an angle, facing south.
Chr. Moran questioned the lack of design features to the side of
the house on the north elevation.
Ms. Fanelli stated this part of the house backs onto private open
space and does not believe design features are necessary. In
response to Com. Murakami's question she stated the location of the
house is a result of the slope and the way the pad is situated.
She stated the driveway will be asphalt and once contoured, part of
it will be hidden.
Com. Caldwell addressed the street trees. Planner Walgren stated
they did investigate the street trees that are within the public
open space and this has been forwarded to the Public Works
department and has been put into their work program. He stated the
developer had responsibility for these trees for two years.
JACOBS/KAPLAN MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. PASSED 7-0.
ASFOUR/CALDWELL MOVED TO APPROVE APPLICATION DR-93-047 SUBJECT TO
THE FINDINGS AND SUBCONCLUSIONS OF THE HEARING.
Com. Caldwell thanked staff for a thorough staff report.
THE ABOVE MOTION PASSED 7-0.
3. SM-93-010 - Lawson; 12375 Farr Ranch Rd., Planning
FE-98-001.1 - Commission consideration of the following:
V-93-031 -
DR-93-046 -
1. Site Modification approval to construct a pool and
associated decking and landscaping pursuant to Chapter 14
of the City Code.
2. Modification of a fencing plan approved for the Parker
Ranch Homeowners to allow an exception to a condition
that requires all fencing to be setback 20 feet from the
side property lines. The proposed fence is a five foot
high open style (4" x 4" steel gauge) fence and is
located approximately five feet from the north side
property line and immediately adjacent to the south side
property line. The fence will not enclose more than 50
percent of the site area.
3. Variance approval to exceed the site's maximum allowable
floor area of 5,610 sq. ft. by 531 sq. ft. to allow the
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construction of a 706 sq. ft. pool house. A second '
Variance is requested to allow the pool house to be built
on an average slope of 39 percent where 30 percent is the
maximum permitted.
4. Design Review approval is also necessary to allow the
site's gross floor area to exceed 6,000 sq. ft. per
Chapter 15 of the City Code.
The subject property is approximately 1.2 acres and is located
within an HR zone district.
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Planner Walgren presented the staff report dated March 8, 1994.
Chr. Moran questioned the removal of the olive trees which provide
screening. Planner Walgren stated they do provide screening but
are not ordinance protected and the applicant has proposed to
replace these with landscaping which, overtime, will provide
screening.
Com. Caldwell commended staff for a thorough report.
Chr. Moran opened the public hearing.
Mr. Tim Holglen, Landscape Architect, stated the most important
issue is the variance for the pool house and noted the guidelines
they are working with are guidelines and should be treated as such.
He noted the pool house will have no negative impact and he sees no
solid reason why this project should not be approved. He stated he
worked with staff throughout this process.
Com. Jacobs stated other that the natural topography of the lot, is
there any existing structures that would cause a hardship, in terms
of the pool house? He stated he is struggling to find an
exception.
Ms. Marcia Wells Lawson stated the reason for the fence is for her
children and because of a lime disease problem. She stated she
does not want the deer creating a path were her children play.
Planner Walgren reviewed the proposed fence as outlined on the
plans.
Chr. Moran read a letter into the record from John E. Greenleaf and
Carol Greenleaf, at 12391 Farr Ave., dated March 3, 1994.
Chr. Moran stated she talked to Mr. Greenleaf and it is her
understanding that he would like to talk to the Lawsons.
Mr. Lawson stated if his neighbor is in objection to this project
he would like a continuance to discuss this with him.
Mrs Lawson stated the main reason for the pool house is because
they need a large room for gatherings and believes the design
proposed is compatible with the neighborhood. She noted the
formula used in 1983, when the house was built would have allowed
the pool house.
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Com. Jacobs asked was there any consideration given to expanding
the family room by 200 ft., as opposed to building a separate
structure?
Mrs. Lawson stated this is a possibility.
Com. Jacobs stated the Planning Commission have rules to follow and
he is having problems making the findings to grant the variance.
Com. Asfour stated he has no problem with the site modification,
but cannot make the findings to grant the variance request. He
stated that approving a Variance would be a grant of special
privilege.
Com. Kaplan stated she did visit the site and still cannot make the
findings to grant the variance.
Com. Murakami questioned the wine cellar. Mr. Lawson stated this
was his personal design and would be convenient when having large
parties to use as a large refrigerator.
Com. Wolfe stated he is impressed with the staff report and would
support staff's recommendations.
Com. Caldwell spoke in favor of the continuance. She stated the
applicant should obtain a list of the variance findings and the
Greenleaf's letter.
Mr. Tim Holglen stated the olive trees are in poor health and what
they propose will provide better screening. He expressed concern
about delays in receiving information from staff.
CALDWELL/KAPLAN MOVED TO CONTINUE THIS APPLICATION TO THE MEETING
OF MARCH 23, 1994. PASSED 7-0.
DIRECTOR'S ITEMS
Planning Director Curtis stated he received a letter from the
applicant of the 5th street development who requests a continuance
to the first meeting in April. He noted the Commission will have
to continue this at the March 23, 1994 meeting.
COMMISSION ITEMS
Com. Jacobs passed out an article regarding Greenbriar.
Com. Asfour stated he will be out of the Country for the next
meeting.
COMMUNICATIONS
Written
1. Letter from Grace United Methodist Church re: Noise Complaints
The Commission agreed to ask the Pastor of Grace United Methodist
Church to address the Commission. Mr. Curtis stated he will inform
the neighbors of this request.
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2. City Council Minutes - 2/16 & 2/22/94
3. Planning Commission Notices for 3/23/94
oral
City Council
ADJOURNMENT The meeting adjourned at 12:00 a.m. to 7:30 p.m. on
March 23, 1994, Civic Theater, 13777 Fruitvale
Ave., Saratoga, CA.
Respectfully submitted
Catherine M. Robillard.