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MINUTES
May 3, 1994 - 7:30 p.m.
City Council Chambers, 13777 Fruitvale Ave.
Regular Meeting
The meeting was called to order at 7:35 p.m. by Chairman Asfour.
ROLL CALL
Present: Chairman Asfour, Commissioners Caldwell, Jacobs, Kaplan, Moran, and
Wolfe
Absent: Commissioner Murakami
City Attorney Faubion present.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
No one addressed the Commission.
REPORT OF POSTING AGENDA
Pursuant to Government Code 54954.2, the agenda for this meeting was properly posted on
April 29, 1994.
Technical Corrections to Packet
No technical corrections were reported.
PUBLIC HEARING(S)
1. DR-94-004 - Odd Fellows Home; 14500 Fruitvale Ave., request for design
UP-94-001 - review, Use Permit and General Plan Amendment approval to
GPA-94-001 - renovate, redevelop and expand the existing Odd Fellows
Senior Care and Housing facility. Phase I includes the remodel
of the I.O.O.F. Home, the expansion of the Villa apartments
and the removal and replacement of the Health Center. Phase
II represents Odd Fellows' long term plans for the property,
which includes two new apartment structures and 19 single-story
duplex cottages.
Community Development Department staff is requiring that an
Environmental Impact Report be prepared. The purpose of
this public hearing is to receive public input in identifying
potential environmental impacts which will be addressed in a
Draft EIR.
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Community Development Director Curtis presented the staff report on this item. Staff
recommended that the Commission receive public testimony in identifying the potential
significant environmental impacts associated with these applications. The impacts identified
tonight would be incorporated to those which have been identified by staff. He explained
the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA). Community Development Director
Curtis informed the Commission that staff would include the environmental impacts
associated with this project as the public addresses the Commission this evening
(determination as to how many individuals are concerned about a particular issue). He
explained that the identification of the impacts are not determined by how many individuals
stated a concern, but that of determination of the potential impacts.
Commissioner Caldwell questioned the status of the geotechnical review that was being
under taken for this site. Community Development Director Curtis informed the
Commission that the project applicant would be presenting a description of the project. He
also informed the Commission that a Notice of Completion letter was mailed to the
applicant. The geotechnical information which is required as part this project was underway.
Staff has not been informed as to the progress of the geotechnical report. He (Curtis)
anticipated that the geotechnical information would be submitted as part of the EIR as
opposed to preparing it separately. Commissioner Caldwell questioned if the consultant
undertaking the geotechnical review was working for the City or working under the
supervision of the applicant? Community Development Director Curtis responded that the
consultant was working for the City of Saratoga.
Commissioner Caldwell requested clarification of the drainage issues. Community
Development Director Curtis responded that the draft EIR would evaluate and describe in
detail all the drainage issues of the site. Commissioner Caldwell commented that it was not
clear to her whether any vegetation removal was anticipated with this project. Community
Development Director Curtis responded that it was unknown at this point how much
vegetation was anticipated for removal. Commissioner Caldwell questioned what the total
duration for the project would be. She also questioned what the change in population would
be for this project. Community Development Director Curtis deferred the last two questions
to the applicant.
Commissioner Jacobs summarized the key points that staff brought up to ensure his
understanding. There will be an Environmental Impact Report prepared for this project.
Community Development Director Curtis stated that he has made a determination that an
EIR would be prepared for this project. Commissioner Jacobs stated that it was his
understanding that tonight's hearing was solely to take public testimony on the
environmental impacts associated with this project. Community Development Director
Curtis explained that the City was conducting this hearing to take public input up front
before preparation of the EIR. Commissioner Jacobs confirmed that the Commission would
not be making any decision regarding this project at tonight's meeting. Community
Development Director Curtis responded that no specific decision would be made at tonight's
meeting. However, staff would be requesting that the Commission agree, by consensus, that
the environmental impacts addressed are to be included in the EIR. Commissioner Jacobs
commented that the Commission would not be evaluating the project itself. Community
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Development Director Curtis commented that there would be no project discussion as to
whether or not this project should proceed or not proceed. Discussion of whether or not
the project should proceed would come at a later date. He (Curtis) further commented that
the EIR was an informational tool to assist in that decision. Commissioner Jacobs stated
that staff has already identified that studies will be completed on the following
environmental impacts: traffic study; environmental view shed; creek and water shed;
drainage and creek protection; riparian and biological habitat preservation; and evaluation
of noise impact. Community Development Director Curtis concurred that the studies which
will need to be completed are those identified thus far.
Community Development Director Curtis suggested that members of the public indicate the
potential environmental impacts which should be addressed in the EIR and the reasons why
those impacts should be addressed.
Commissioner Caldwell stated that it was not clear to her what the depth of the study would
be on each of the items identified by staff because only certain sub items have been
identified as "yes". She questioned whether it would be appropriate for individuals to speak
to those subcategories that have not been checked nor addressed in any way. Community
Development Director Curtis stated that all comments by the public should be taken under
consideration.
Commissioner Caldwell stated that this was a scoping session for the EIR and that this
scoping session was to ensure that concerns were addressed.
Community Development Director Curtis stated that the concerns addressed needed to be
substantiated. However, all comments expressed would be included in the EIR.
Commissioner Caldwell elaborated on the CEQA guidelines and read a section as follows:
"On marginal cases in which it is unclear whether substantial evidence of significant effects
exist, the presence of public controversy indicates that an EIR review is necessary if the
controversy is related to the project's environmental affects."
Chairman Asfour further commented that public controversy does not, by itself, require an
EIR. Commissioner Caldwell concurred with Chairman Asfour's comments in the absence
of any environmental effects.
Community Development Director Curtis commented that an EIR would be prepared for
this project whether or not every possible impacts could be indicated. There has to be some
substantial evidence that there may be environmental impacts. He did not anticipate a
debate as to whether or not an issue is to be addressed in the EIR. The EIR needed to be
a complete and accurate document.
Commissioner Moran commented that on looking over the Initial Study, there were some
areas marked as "yes", "maybe" or "no". She questioned whether it was staff's feeling that
those areas that were not marked were backed by substantial evidence and that although
it was staff's feeling that they should be included, they were not marked at this time.
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Community Development Director Curtis commented that the unmarked items were left
unmarked because at this time, staff does not feel that there would be a potential for
environmental impacts. The "no" responses were removed so that the public and
Commission could address the areas that were left blank versus staff being questioned as
to why the areas were marked as "no".
Commissioner Moran requested Community Development Director Curtis' comments
regarding the "no project" alternative. Community Development Director Curtis commented
that one alternative in approval was the "no project alternative" (what happens if the project
does not proceed). He (Curtis) presented an example of a "no project alternative" (e.g.,
subdivision review whereby a road would be required as part of approval to alleviate traffic
impacts which currently exist; evaluation of the project should the road improvements not
be installed). A no project alternative in this case would not lead to lessening of the
environmental impacts. In this "no project alternative", nothing would change.
Commissioner Moran questioned which part of the "no alternative project" would the EIR
consultant address. Community Development Director Curtis responded that both project
build out and no project build out are to be evaluated.
Chairman Asfour stated for the record that City Attorney Kit Faubion was present for
tonight's scoping session.
City Attorney Faubion commented that in determining what a reasonable alternative was,
its not truly a matter of picking something between no project and project build out. The
alternative needs to be crafted so that it addresses the significant or potential significant
impacts as well.
Commissioner Caldwell expressed confusion in her review of the project plans. She
questioned how many stories were proposed with this project? Community Development
Director Curtis responded that the elevation plans indicates a variation in elevation. A four
story elevation was depicted but that building was located on a slope. He recommended
that the applicant be allowed to address the project.
Chairman Asfour clarified that if there was an item that needed to be included in the EIR
that was not already listed in the initial study, he requested that the public state why the
item should be included in the EIR. He also advised the public that there would not be a
debate tonight as to whether or not there should be a project. That was not the scope of
tonight's meeting. Tonight's scoping session was solely to indicate what environmental
impacts should be included in the EIR.
CHAIRMAN ASFOUR OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:09 P.M.
George Ivelich, architect for the Odd Fellows Home project, presented the Commission and ,
the public with a slide presentation of the site and project. He summarized the project by
stating that the Odd Fellows Home was located on a 37 acre parcel, very rich in history.
He addressed the fact that the existing home was still in the same state as it was in 1912.
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He also addressed the villas and the health center. He commented that the site was blest
with beautiful trees. He presented a perspective of the original complex and inventory of
the site as well as access to the site. He informed the Commission that two swells exist on
site. All proposed modifications and additions would meet city codes and compliment the
original structures. He addressed the remnants of the villa foundations. A pedestrian
bridge has been built to connect the home to the villa buildings built in the 1970s. He
addressed the miscellaneous buildings slated for removal. The bridge and the lodge are also
scheduled for removal. Additional units would be added to the villas with support facilities
(e.g., dining room and kitchen). Of the original buildings, the home would be maintained
and rehabed extensively. The villas are to remain and the bridge is to be removed. All the
miscellaneous buildings and the home occupied by the assistant administrator would remain.
The infirmary/health center, the remains of the old barn, and the old villa foundations are
slated for removal. He also addressed the slope of the property. Mr. Ivelich informed the
Commission that a master plan has been prepared for the site so that it is known what is
proposed for the property. Traffic flow is to remain and be maintained as currently utilized
(access to remain from Fruitvale Avenue) unless the City felt that there was a reason for
an alternative access. No connections to new streets are proposed. Emergency access is
proposed from Crystal. Of the existing villa building consisting of 79 units, four units would
be lost. He felt that working with the land and working with the contours would lend to two
story increments down the hillside. The existing nursing center is to be removed and
replaced with a new one story nursing facility. Phase I of the project would consist of
remodelling the home, the addition of units to the existing villa building, and the
construction of the new skilled nursing building. Phase II of the project would propose two
additional buildings (two story buildings of apartments with parking underneath). He
informed the Commission that some of the parking facility might be visible from the lower
portion, but that landscaping would be installed to mitigate visual impact. The small units
are proposed to be duplexed units (two units attached consisting of two bedrooms, two baths
and one enclosed car garage). He felt that two of the duplex units would have less of an
impact than that of a residential unit. The rest of the project was to remain as open space
with no fences proposed (to remain i.n its natural setting). All the trees are to remain in
their original groupings with no development proposed around the trees. The trees were
being used to screen the buildings from the "Acres". He would return at some future date
and address in detail the building structures.
Commissioner Moran questioned the number of trees which were slated for removal. Mr.
Ivelich stated that at this time, no trees were slated for removal. Commissioner Moran
commented that parking spaces and paved areas are being proposed. She questioned what
would it do to the current paving. Mr. Ivelich stated that he has not completed a
comparison between the existing and proposed paving. He stated that there was a
percentage of coverage indicated in the proposal (cooing of the buildings themselves equals
approximately 14%, including the roadway and would equate to 33%. He did not have the
figures for the proposed paving.
Mr. Ivelich responded to the question posed by Commissioner Caldwell regarding the
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geotechnical requirement. He stated that he was under the impression that the report that
was received from the Public Works Director lays out the parameters of what was being
requested to be investigated. It was up to the applicant to retain a geological consultant to
respond to the questions posed by the Public Works Director. Community Development
Director Curtis concurred with Mr. Ivelich's interpretation and further clarified that the
City's geologist would review the applicant's geologist report.
Commissioner Caldwell questioned which creeks or waterways the onsite runoff were
tributary to? Mr. Ivelich responded that he was not sure which creeks or waterways the
onsite runoff were tributary to.
Commissioner Caldwell stated that the roadway has transacted one of the swales. She felt
that there would be some vegetation removal. Mr. Ivelich responded that it was anticipated
that all trees would be saved.
Commissioner Caldwell questioned the phasing and timing of the project. She commented
that Mr. Ivelich stated that the Odd Fellows Home was not planning to "move on the master
plan on its entirety". Mr. Ivelich stated that the objective was to upgrade and replace the
buildings that were clearly in need of replacement and repair (Phase I}. He further stated
that Phase II would not occur within five years and that it was uncertain when Phase II
would commence, if ever. Mr. Ivelich stated the he envisions a more diverse population (an
opportunity for the younger, elder population to locate within the facilities). Mr. Ivelich
clarified that the younger population would consist of 65 years and older.
Commissioner Caldwell questioned how many years would Phase I span? Mr. Ivelich
responded that Phase I was to commence immediately and would take two to three years
to complete. Commissioner Caldwell questioned the population changes associated with this
project. Mr. Ivelich acknowledged Commissioner Caldwell's question and stated that he
would be better able to provide an answer at the next meeting.
Commissioner Wolfe questioned whether the existing utilities were to be incorporated into
the new structures. Mr. Ivelich responded that the utilities would be evaluated to determine
whether they should be removed, utilized or replaced. Regarding removal of foundation,
Commissioner Wolfe questioned whether new vegetation would be planted in the area
where the foundation slated for removal were located? Mr. Ivelich stated that it was the
intention to infill with landscape all the sites that were being tampered with and that areas
which were not to be disturbed were to remain in their natural state. Commissioner Wolfe
questioned what the net fill of vegetation would equal to. Mr. Ivelich responded that he
would return with an answer when he was certain of his response.
Chairman Asfour reminded his fellow Commissioners that questions specific to site
development were not appropriate at this time.
Commissioner Caldwell begged to defer with Chairman Asfour in that what comprises the
project were relative to determining whether or not there would be environmental impacts.
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Jeffrey Schwartz, San Mateo, requested that he be allowed more than three minutes to
address the Commission because he was speaking on behalf of a large number of neighbors.
He informed the Commission that he lives down stream and down grading from the Odd
Fellows property. He stated that the homes located along San Marcus, have over the years,
experienced substantial flooding. He provided the Commission with a copy of a report
which he felt was of essential background, dated March 7, 1991. It was a letter of
transmittal to the mayor at that time. He informed the Commission that a committee was
appointed by the City Council to study the appropriateness of the Odd Fellow's site for
increased density, specifically for future housing. The Council not only accepted the report
but also accepted the public member committee's recommendation.
Chairman Asfour questioned if City Attorney Faubion felt that the document submitted by
Mr. Schwartz was appropriate to this hearing. City Attorney Faubion responded that if the
letter addressed environmental impacts associated with the property, that it would be
appropriate to submit it.
Commissioner Moran stated that it could he possible that the Commission may receive
additional comments and correspondence and that it would be important to receive public
input so that an evaluation of the comment and concerns addressed be undertaken.
Mr. Schwartz thanked the Commission for conducting this optional scoping session and
stated that he appreciated the opportunity to address the city early in the review process
rather than at a later date. He encouraged that a broad review be undertaken to ensure
that all issues of concern are addressed. He formally requested that two members of the
Commission "recuse" themselves because the two members have already indicated their
desire to increase senior housing on the Odd Fellows' site. He referred to the two
Commissioners as being Commissioners Moran and Jacobs. He requested that the
Commission ask whoever ends up conducting the EIR, to give serious and thorough
consideration for the "no project" alternative and that another alternative which should be
studied is a project which would be in keeping with the General Plan for the area (R-1
40,000). He requested that economic impacts to existing property values be included in the
analysis of impact. He further requested that the applicant, at this point in the process,
commit in some binding fashion as to the number of and type of units which would be made
available for public occupancy versus properties reserved for occupancy by the fraternal Odd
Fellows Organization. Also requested was that the EIR not only examine a project as built
but that it analyze the construction and the operational phases because they may have a
more serious impact in areas such as water runoff., relocation of individuals, noise and the
like. He requested that the Commission take into account in its scope of the EIR that the
City of Saratoga already has existing, on-going violations of stormwater runoffs. This project
could contribute to the violations. He requested that any interim housing be provided to
the residents currently living on the site be described in detail. He requested that careful
consideration be given to the four story elevations as presented to the city. He requested
that the following items be evaluated as part of the EIR: "yes" on degrading environmental
quality; "yes" on the fish and wildlife habitat; "maybe" on threatening wildlife, "maybe" on
eliminating plant or animal communities; "maybe" on eliminating important California
history and prehistory (Indian artifacts have been found on the site); "yes" on achieves short
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term goals to the disadvantage of long term goals; "yes" on the environmental impacts
directly or indirectly causing substantial impacts on human beings (referred to the testimony
which occurred two years ago by the Odd Fellows Board and executives on the danger to
residents on the property of construction, accessing the Odd Fellows home and increase in
density); "yes" on possible environmental impacts that are viewed as considerable with past
and future causes; "yes" on Council adopted environmental plans and community goals
(specifically, the City's General Plan itself); "yes" on substantial demonstrable measures of
the site; "maybe" on substantial interference with the movement of the residential and
migratory fish and wildlife (all year wet stream); "possibly" on substantial interfering with
movement of wildlife species; "possibly" on substantial of degrading which would lead to
depletion of ground water resources (a major issue and substantial increase of impervious
surface and loss of riparian ways); "possibly" on substantial interference with ground water
recharge; "possibly" on encouraged activities requiring large fuel, water or energy; "yes" on
induces substantial growth or concentration of population; "yes" on causes traffic increases;
"yes" on substantial increase on noise levels (study should include noise levels of all hours
of the day and night); "possibly" on causes substantial flooding or erosion or siltation
(reminded the Commission that there was a very serious erosion problem on the San
Marcos sites); "yes" on exposes people or structures to major geologic hazards; (Odd Fellows
Home is not earthquake safe); "yes" on substantially diminished habitat for fish, wildlife or
plants; "yes" on disrupt or divide the physical arrangement of an established community
(neighborhood impacted with dense population and largest institution in the city in an area
that is exclusive R-1 40,000); "yes" on creates a potential public health hazard or involves
the use, production or disposal of materials which pose a hazard to people or animal or
plant populations in the area; and "yes" on interferes with emergency response plans or
emergency evacuation plans (some residents are not ambulatory and many are elderly). He
commented that he had specific comments on two-thirds of the initial study where he felt
should have been marked as a "maybe" or "yes".
City Attorney Faubion informed the Commission that Mr. Schwartz appeared to be going
through Appendix G of the CEQA Guidelines.
Chairman Asfour requested that City Attorney Faubion clarify the issue that economic
impacts could not be used as an issue under the scope for the EIR.
City Attorney Faubion stated that it was difficult to deal with economic impacts. Generally,
some connection to economic impacts can be associated with environmental impacts.
Because it is a difficult area, she recommended that the Commission proceed and receive
public input. She did not see a problem with raising the concerns of economic impact at '
this time.
Community Development Director Curtis requested that the public submit written
documentation as soon as possible so that staff could proceed with completion of the initial
study.
Don Richiuso stated that Mr. Schwartz addressed many of the issues he was going to
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address. He requested an explanation from the developer as to the actual "head count" for
the project. It was not clear to him as to the number of stories that exist and are proposed
(it would be helpful if there was a current chart of what was actual versus proposed). He
reviewed the initial study and commented that he was surprised that there were one out of
70 "yes", 10 "maybes" and 59 "nos" checked off. He suggested that an opposite approach be
taken for a project of this size. He recommended that every opportunity be taken to
complete an extensive EIR. The items he requested be evaluated were: "Land Use" (no.
8 on the checklist). The General Plan stipulates that any area of open space should develop
as a single family detached housing. He quoted from the General plan as follows: "Existing
nonresidential zones shall not be expanded nor residential zones added." The plan states
that the future development of infill should be restricted to very low density single family
homes in order to preserve the character of the area and the wishes of the area residents.
He did not feel that the project could be approved and still abide by the General Plan. He
was speaking specifically about Phase III. Commissioner Caldwell asked Mr. Richiuso if he
was recommending item 8 be marked as "yes". Mr. Richiuso responded that he would
request that item 8 be marked as "yes". Other items to be evaluated were: "yes" on item
4 -plant life (the proposed development would result in the reduction of existing
vegetation); "yes" on item 5 -animal life (loss of vegetation would reduce wildlife habitat
and therefore in the numbers; "yes" on item 6 -noise; "yes" on item 8 -land use; "yes" on
item 11 -population (it is unknown as to what the future population would be but it is
indicated that it would be a significant increase); "yes" on item 12 -housing (would create
a change in the characteristic of the surrounding neighborhoods of R-1 40,000); "yes" on
item 13 -transportation/circulation (large increase in population results in significant
increase in services and emergency vehicles); "yes" on increased parking spaces; and "yes"
on item 18 -aesthetics (new access roads along the perimeter of the existing homes). He
also addressed the Commission regarding water and drainage. He informed the Commission
that underground springs exist throughout the area. He requested that a thorough and
extensive EIR for this project be completed.
David Moss, 13486 Old Oak Way, Saratoga, stated that the proposal for the EIR appeared
reasonable to him and that any attempt to make changes to the project would obstruct,
delay and increase the cost. He did not feel that the previous speakers had substantial
evidence to back up their statements. Mr. Moss commented that Mr. Schwartz stated that
he has had drainage problems for many years and that he did not believe that Mr.
Schwartz's drainage problem would get any worse. In fact, he (Mr. Moss) felt that project
construction may mitigate Mr. Schwartz's drainage problem. It was his belief that this
project would provide much needed housing source for senior citizens. He felt that a
concentration of population in areas similar to this one would meet the needs of senior
citizens. He hoped that the EIR would pursue the fact that seniors do not get out and drive
during the rush hours unless they have to. He hoped that the Planning Commission would
resist any attempts to increase the scope of the EIR.
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Kevin Schaller, 18840 Ten Acres Road, Saratoga, pointed out that this proposal was housing
for the Odd Fellows Association and not housing for the general population of Saratoga.
He expressed concern regarding the number of employees that would be added to this
facility. There are state mandated regulations that dictate the number of employees that
are required to care for individuals on a residential care, skilled care and/or nursing facility.
With the expansion, not only traffic of. the occupants needed to be addressed but also those
of the caretakers (24 hour a day traffic associated with employees, staff, and support
personal for the facility). He requested that no other access road other than what currently
exists be stipulated in the EIR. The EIR should address the specific and not general
comments. He requested that specific issues and explanation on how the manner in which
the displacement of those individuals that currently reside in the facility would be handled.
The issues that needed to be addressed were interim housing, transportation and safety of
the existing residents. Mr. Schaller commented that Mr. Schwartz addressed his other issues
of concerns. He requested that specific answers to his questions be provided. He also
recommended that item 14 (public services) be addressed because of the need for additional
firemen.
Commissioner Wolfe commented that Mr. Schaller brought up a good point regarding the
need for the EIR to address the temporary displacement of the occupants during
remodel/construction.
Mr. Schaller requested that the Commission request City Attorney Faubion's opinion
regarding the two Planning Commissioners excusing themselves from discussion of this item
due to their statements of support for this project.
Chairman Asfour restated that. the purpose of this public hearing was to identify the
environmental impacts associated with this project and that no decision was being made
tonight on the project. He did not feel that Mr. Schaller's request for Attorney opinion was
appropriate for tonight's public hearing.
Commissioner Caldwell commented that interim housing was being proposed as part of this
proposal.
THE COMMISSION RECESSED AT 9:10 P.M. THE COMMISSION RECONVENED
AT 9:27 P.M.
Mr. Schwartz thanked the Commission for the opportunity to study the issue. He requested
an answer on how the city ended up with this map. Item 8 ties in with the question of five
years ago concerning Phases I, II, and III for the San Marcus Project. He stated that 50
conditions were adopted in association with project approval. Substantial material changes
eventually occurred later in the process. He felt that the issue (final map approval) tied into
the land use issue and requested an explanation. Assembly Bill (AB) 3180 was passed to
allow communities to evaluate mitigation measures of previously approved EIRs. The
mitigation measures have not been completed for the San Marcus project approved four or
five years ago. He requested that item 18 be addressed (aesthetics). He commented that
his view was going to be that of a 15 foot structure. He requested that the Commission take
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a hard look into the changes which have occurred without benefit of public notification.
Commissioner Caldwell requested that staff respond to the concern expressed by Mr.
Schwartz in regards to the changes made to the tentative map. Community Development
Director Curtis responded that the City Council reviewed and approved the final map for
the San Marcos project in two phases with the third phase removed/excluded.
Commissioner Caldwell commented that the lack of public noticing for final map approval
expressed by Mr. Schwartz and the land use issue (item 8) appeared to be germane.
Ralph Borelli, 19301 Pubbacke Court, Saratoga, requested an answer as to how the city
ended up with a final map without public notification. He requested that item 8 (Land Use)
be addressed. He commented that four or five years ago, an EIR process was completed
for Phases I, II and III for the San Marcos project. Through the EIR process, the Planning
Commission and City Council adopted a resolution which contained approximately 16
conditions with respect to that map. He noted that since approval, substantial material
changes have occurred with the map. The public was not made aware of the changes. He
requested that the changes to the San Marcos project be addressed with this EIR. There
were several issues which tied in with the previous EIR. He commented that Assembly Bill
(AB) 3180 passed in 1988 requires local municipalities to monitor mitigation measures which
have been approved on previously prepared EIRs. He felt that there have been at least a
dozen previous mitigation measures from the last EIR on the same site that have not been
completed. He questioned the scope of this new EIR when mitigation measures have not
been completed from the previous EIR. He questioned how can the next phase of the site
proceed when the previous project conditions have not been completed. Regarding item
18 (aesthetics), he informed the Commission that the view from his backyard would be right
at the health center. He questioned the height limitation of building number 2 and
requested that it be reviewed. He also questioned the change in tentative map of 34 lots
with no access designation for the other 18 lots designated as remainder without public
notification of the changes to be made. Mr. Borelli reiterated that it was his belief that
approval of the final map for this site was kept from the public in such a fashion as a
consent calendar item and that adjacent property owners were not notified until this new
application surfaced. Community Development Director Curtis responded that the final
map recorded was in substantial conformance with the tentative map in terms of phasing.
He commented that he did not believe that Phase III impacted the other two phases of
project development. He (Curtis) would request a written opinion from the City Attorney
regarding the phasing of the project.
Bill Chastain, 14484 Chester Avenue, expressed concern with economic impacts (the project
was a nonprofit organization with various impacts to the community and facilities which
would need to be dealt with). This organization was tax exempt and did not feel that the
public was under any obligation to accept an increase of any kind for public egress or
facilities that have to service this property. Another issue of concern was the effect that this
development would have on groups of people who live on the facility. These group of
individuals (seniors) were promised that they would not live in a "squalor". The developer
promised that if the City gave a quick approval of the three phased development, that the
proceeds from that development would be used to upgrade the existing facilities. He
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informed the Commission that several residents of the facility have informed him that they
were disgusted with the way things were and requested that their concerns be addressed.
He also informed the Commission that the average age of the residents were between 83
and 85. He questioned what guarantees would there be that in this round of approvals that
anything would be done to fix the existing physical impediments to the group of people
living on the property. He also pointed out that at least one public interview by
Commissioner Wolfe states that he has taken a position in favor of this project and
therefore, should be excluded in the analysis of this project.
Commissioner Jacobs questioned whether Mr. Chastain requested that the EIR address the
impact of the proposal on the existing residents. Mr. Chastain confirmed that his request
was that of impact to individuals who reside in the existing facility. Individuals have
indicated that they do not want the proposed interruption in their lives.
Chairman Asfour stated that the facility was state regulated and that the residents have
recourse with the county and state to address their concerns.
Rose Mary Chastain, 14484 Chester Avenue, Saratoga, expressed serious concern regarding
the coverage of building structures of a total of 40%. She did not feel that the architect was
specific regarding the vegetation, trees and so fourth. She recommended that the surface
coverage be investigated. She requested that the following items be addressed: item 2 -air,
alteration of air movement, moisture or temperature and change in climate; item 4 -Plant
Life, with a 40% coverage there would be an impact on vegetation; item 5 -Animal Life;
item 10 - Risk of Upset, subsection b, possible interference with an emergency response plan
or an emergency evacuation plan (Fire Department has specific guidelines for emergency
evacuation); item 14 -Public Services, occupancy would need to be made known because
it impacts fire and police protection.
Commissioner Moran clarified a point with staff regarding the stated 33% pervious surface
and the additional 14%? Planner Walgren stated that the grand total of impervious surface
was 33% and that the 14% was part of the 33% to be built on.
Mrs. Chastain commented that there was a vague building located to the rear which
stipulates multi-family housing. Commissioner Moran noted that the building was the
existing facility next door and that it was not part of this project (a HUD project known as
the Fellowship Plaza).
Community Development Director Curtis stated that what was proposed in terms of
impervious coverage would need to be evaluated. The purpose of the EIR was to evaluate
the impact associated with the project. The EIR would address the impacts of paving and
runoff. He felt that all the points addressed were well taken and that the mitigation
measures would address the impacts. However, the decision on the project would return
to the Commission at a later date.
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Mr. Ivelich stated that the impervious surface would be 33%. What was being projected at
this time was that Phase I would be built immediately and Phase II might be built in two
or three years (or may never be built). It was very important that things like impervious
surface be looked at in Phase I, separately from Phase II because there was no guarantee
that Phase II would be built. Community Development Director Curtis commented that the
EIR would evaluate the results of the impervious coverage, regardless of its location and
what effect it has on water runoff.
Commissioner Jacobs stated that it has been indicated that impervious coverage was an issue
of the EIR and should be addressed in the EIR.
Mr. Ivelich commented that the entire site was being dealt with and that the site was being
designed to respect the advantage considering the issues. There were reasons why the
density was low in one point and high in another. He felt that the entire project stands on
its own.
Mary D. Urbano stated that she felt that credit should be given to the Odd Fellows for
taking care of the senior residents all these years. She requested that the facilities be
allowed to be upgraded.
AT 10:00 P.M., COMMISSIONERS ICAPLAN/JACOBS MOVED TO CLOSE THE
PUBLIC HEARING. THE MOTION PASSED 6-U (COMMISSIONER MURAKAMI
ABSENT).
Commissioner Caldwell questioned if the City has delayed remodeling of the existing
buildings. Community Development Director Curtis commented that he was not aware that
the City had placed a "stop work order" causing project delay. Mr. Curtis stated that to the
best of his knowledge, no building permits had been issued recently and that for
improvements and minor building modifications, only a building permit would be required.
He (Curtis) distributed copies of Appendix G of the CEQA guidelines to the Commission.
Appendix G lists every possible impact that might be created on a particular project.
Chairman Asfour questioned when staff would be able to provide the Commission with the
documents presented earlier by the public. Community Development Director Curtis
responded that it would be provided to the Commission at time of project proposal because
the material deals with land use issues. He further commented that the input presented this
evening would be taken into consideration and that he has heard enough testimony
regarding the issues which need to be addressed.
Commissioner Jacobs recommended that staff be given the opportunity to review and digest
comments presented and return to the Commission with their list of what was being
proposed.
Commissioner Jacobs recommended that other documents submitted to staff be made
available to the public for its review.
Community Development Director Curtis stated that he would report to the Commission
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under "Directors Item" as to any additional information presented to staff at the next
Commission meeting. He requested that any documentation by the public be submitted to
staff by Thursday (May 5). Mr. Schwartz stated that he would try to submit his report by
Friday (May 6).
Commissioner Caldwell requested that the following issues be addressed: item 2b (Air) -
there will be concentrated food preparation and enlarged kitchen preparation and she felt
that odors may be a potential impact; Sc (Animal Life) - no discussion was made regarding
the introduction of domestic animals; item 9 (Natural Resources) -she wondered how
broadly the natural resources were interpreted (does it relate to riparian habitat or strictly
mining material like gold or silver or could it also relate to energy issues). Community
Development Director Curtis concurred that energy concerns could be addressed under item
9 but not the others indicated by Commissioner Caldwell. Item 13b -there was by virtue
of the project itself, a new demand for parking. Community Development Director Curtis
stated that parking would be contained on site and would not typically be considered an
environmental impact. Item 13f -she (Caldwell) did not believe that there was any mention
of construction traffic and recommended that all phases of the project, including
construction, be investigated. Community Development Director Curtis commented that
there was typically a whole section in the EIR that deals with short term effects versus long
term effects of traffic during construction activity. Item 14 (Public Services) -Commissioner
Caldwell did not feel that there would be an issue of children impacting schools. However,
she felt that there needs to be sensitivity to the traffic impact to the two major intersections
that pose difficulty for the schools (e.g. Fruitvale/Allendale and Fruitvale/Saratoga
intersections).
Community Development Director Curtis clarified that the impacts to school as outlined by
Commissioner Caldwell would be that of traffic impact to the school not the need for
additional schools.
Commissioner Moran referred to item 3b. She commented that Mr. Schwartz indicated that
one of his neighbors was experiencing drainage problems and requested that the address of
that neighbor be given to the EIR consultant retained by the city so that it was specifically
known where the anticipated drainage problem would occur to address that neighbors
concern. She also wanted to make sure that the concern addressed by Mr. Schaller
regarding additional employees and the increased traffic and noise mitigation be addressed.
Commissioner Jacobs questioned staff s position regarding .items 14A, E and F as these
items were not marked and questioned if staff felt that they should be addressed.
Community Development Director Curtis responded that staff would include these sections
to be addressed in terms of public services.
Commissioner Wolfe commented that the public input was extremely valuable and helpful.
He commented that regardless of any previous public statements that he has made on this
issue, his ultimate decision would be the one which would be appropriate for the site and
that of the neighborhood. He also commented that he has not made a predetermined
decision on this project. Therefore, he did not believe he should be removed from the
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Commission nor from this process.
Commissioner Moran commented that she did not think that the review of the scope of the
EIR did not unnecessarily delay, obstruct or increase the cost of this project. In fact, she
felt that this process would help to expedite the process in the long run. She would prefer
that staff error on the side of including issues when there seems to be a grey area. She felt
that there were many comments presented tonight and that each comment should be given
consideration.
Community Development Director Curtis informed the Commission that on May 11, staff
would present to the Commission a final study checklist for its review to ensure that staff
has included all issues which the Commission recommended be addressed. Staff would then
prepare a Request for Proposal (RFP) which would be sent to various environmental
consultants who have indicated that they have interest in preparing EIRs for the City of
Saratoga. A three to four week response time would be given to have RFPs returned to
staff. Staff would narrow the consultant selection process to three consultants which the
City felt would perform an adequate job on the preparation of the EIR. He informed the
Commission that because the applicant was paying for the EIR, the applicant would be
allowed to indicate which of the three qualified consultants would be selected. If the
applicant wished to select a consultant who would take a longer time in completion at a
lesser cost or a consultant who would expedite the completion of the EIR at a greater cost,
the applicant should be allowed to make the decision of consultant selection. Once the EIR
has been completed, the City is required by state law to post a notice and conduct a 45 day
review period to allow the public and other agencies to respond to the draft EIR, followed
by a public hearing. Community Development Director Curtis stated that it was anticipated
that the public hearing on the EIR would be scheduled before the Commission either in
September or October. Once the application has been deemed complete, the City has one
year to prepare, review and certify the EIR. He informed the Commission that this
application has not been deemed complete because the geologist report has not been
completed.
Commissioner Moran expressed concern that both the applicant and the public be made
aware that the City was trying to move in an expeditious manner as required by law and yet
ensure that everyone stays informed as to the process.
Commissioner Caldwell questioned if it was a standard procedure to require technical
information pertinent to the project before the City deemed the application complete.
Community Development Director Curtis responded in the affirmative. Commissioner
Caldwell questioned the selection process for the EIR consultant. She commented on the
EIR consultant selection process previously conducted on a major EIR (Wang property).
The procedure which the City followed in that instance for selection of a consultant was to
appoint a subcommittee consisting of Planning Commissioners and staff. Each of the
consultants were interviewed and the subcommittee selected the consultant for that project
rather than the applicant selecting the consultant. She questioned whether the Commission
wanted to deviate from the process which has been used previously in Saratoga.
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Community Development Director Curtis recommended that interviews of consultant
candidates occur early in the stage and that at a later date, a subcommittee be selected to
confirm the final three consultants. He informed the Commission that less argument from
the applicant would occur if the applicant was allowed to select from the final three (in
terms of EIR cost).
Commissioner Caldwell stated that her fundamental concern was that the Commission was
the responsible body in approving the EIR and that she would want to be involved in the
process.
Commissioner Moran stated that she was comfortable in having staff perform the selection
of the consultant to be retained for the preparation of the EIR because staff was
knowledgeable in determining consultant qualifications.
COMMISSIONERS MORAN/WOLFS MOVED TO REOPENED THE PUBLIC
HEARING. THE MOTION CARRIED 6-0 (COMMISSIONER MURAKAMI ABSENT).
Mr. Chastain stated that he felt that the objectivity of the study would be impacted if the
applicant was allowed to provide input in the EIR selection process. He expressed concern
with the expediences of this issue and requested that the three phased development issue
and consultant selection process be narrowed.
COMMISSIONERS MORAN/KAPLAN MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING
AT 10:30 P.M.
DIRECTOR'S ITEMS
Community Development Director Curtis reminded the Commission that at the May 11
meeting there was one new public hearing item scheduled and that the Commission would
be adjourning to a work session to review the Greenbriar development (no decision nor
action would be taken at that meeting).
COMMISSION ITEMS
Commissioner Caldwell thanked staff for the reports furnished on the Odd Fellow scoping
session and that she appreciated that elaborated staff. report and found them to be helpful. '
Commissioner Moran questioned whether City Attorney Faubion would be present at the
May 11 meeting. Community Development Director Curtis informed the Commission that
review of the environmental checklist, incorporating tonight's comments, would be presented
at the May 11 meeting. Therefore, City Attorney Faubion would not be present at that
meeting.
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COMMUNICATIONS
Written
Oral
City Council
ADJOURNMENT
Chairman Asfour adjourned the meeting at 10:35 p.m. to May 11, 1994, 7:30 p.m. Civic
Theater, 13777 Fruitvale Ave., Saratoga, CA.
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